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First dieselised ex-steam shed?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:15 am
by Pyewipe Junction
Not counting sub-sheds (like Wisbech), wouldn't that have to be 1D Devons Road?
I think it was fully dieselised sometime during 1958.
Another contender might be 56G (ex 37C) Bradford Hammerton Street.
Re: First dieselised ex-steam shed?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:08 pm
by Flamingo
That date looks about right but probably the latter half of 1958. Devons Road still had some steam at the start of the year, it was about half & half steam and diesel.
Not the last time steam was seen there though, I have pics of stored or withdrawn Royal Scots taken at 1D in the early months of 1963. 46144 and 46146 were 2 of them, and they looked very sorry with nameplates off. I believe there was at leat one more but can't recall which one - might even have been a rebuilt Patriot.
Re: First dieselised ex-steam shed?
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:30 pm
by simonh
Last steam left Devons Road August 1958.
Ipswich was claimed to be the first fully diesel main-line mpd, for freight and passenger work. (Nov 1959).
Re: First dieselised ex-steam shed?
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:00 am
by 52D
On a slightly different note were there any steam locos allocated to 52J South Gosforth, the Tyneside electric and later DMU depot.
Re: First dieselised ex-steam shed?
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:33 pm
by third-rail
52D wrote:On a slightly different note were there any steam locos allocated to 52J South Gosforth, the Tyneside electric and later DMU depot.
lived at gosforth east junction 1940to 1967 as far as i know the only locos there where the electric ones prior to scapping , there was 2 no parcel vans and 2no single coach units[all met cam stock] these could be used for haulage and would often collect overhauled stock from the heaton carriage works, the only other two locos where the newcastle quayside steeple cabs which came in on saturdays for servicing.never saw any watering facilitys there or coaling the nearest water i know was at the ilford road sidings just where the metro now has its emergency siding. the only steam i can recollect would be the morning goods which would or could call at west jesmond ,ilford road sidings, south gosforth,and stations to ponteland, 52j car sheds,longbenton[the lucozade factory],benton,monkseaton goods yard ,cullercoats,the goods yards at tynemouth three no,north shields,there was also at shields the gasworks and sidings,watts hardy wagon works at howdon,at one time another line came off just after the willingquay viaduct to go to north easten marine,and wallsend.it is possible that the loop was tackled from both ends .in later days diesels would often come in hauling a freight liner some times loaded and spend several hours on shed for what reason i do not know ,maybe turn a wheel flat out or repair some thing.
Re: First dieselised ex-steam shed?
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:04 pm
by Malcolm
third-rail wrote:52D wrote:On a slightly different note were there any steam locos allocated to 52J South Gosforth, the Tyneside electric and later DMU depot.
lived at gosforth east junction 1940to 1967 as far as i know the only locos there where the electric ones prior to scapping , there was 2 no parcel vans and 2no single coach units[all met cam stock] these could be used for haulage and would often collect overhauled stock from the heaton carriage works, the only other two locos where the newcastle quayside steeple cabs which came in on saturdays for servicing.never saw any watering facilitys there or coaling the nearest water i know was at the ilford road sidings just where the metro now has its emergency siding. the only steam i can recollect would be the morning goods which would or could call at west jesmond ,ilford road sidings, south gosforth,and stations to ponteland, 52j car sheds,longbenton[the lucozade factory],benton,monkseaton goods yard ,cullercoats,the goods yards at tynemouth three no,north shields,there was also at shields the gasworks and sidings,watts hardy wagon works at howdon,at one time another line came off just after the willingquay viaduct to go to north easten marine,and wallsend.it is possible that the loop was tackled from both ends .in later days diesels would often come in hauling a freight liner some times loaded and spend several hours on shed for what reason i do not know ,maybe turn a wheel flat out or repair some thing.
Gosforth had the only wheel turning facilities in the area. I know diesels went in there, but not steam engines (as far as I know).
BTW. the original shed a South Gosforth was a steam shed. Will look up the details and report soon.
Malcolm
Re: First dieselised ex-steam shed?
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:43 pm
by Malcolm
Malcolm wrote:third-rail wrote:52D wrote:On a slightly different note were there any steam locos allocated to 52J South Gosforth, the Tyneside electric and later DMU depot.
lived at gosforth east junction 1940to 1967 as far as i know the only locos there where the electric ones prior to scapping , there was 2 no parcel vans and 2no single coach units[all met cam stock] these could be used for haulage and would often collect overhauled stock from the heaton carriage works, the only other two locos where the newcastle quayside steeple cabs which came in on saturdays for servicing.never saw any watering facilitys there or coaling the nearest water i know was at the ilford road sidings just where the metro now has its emergency siding. the only steam i can recollect would be the morning goods which would or could call at west jesmond ,ilford road sidings, south gosforth,and stations to ponteland, 52j car sheds,longbenton[the lucozade factory],benton,monkseaton goods yard ,cullercoats,the goods yards at tynemouth three no,north shields,there was also at shields the gasworks and sidings,watts hardy wagon works at howdon,at one time another line came off just after the willingquay viaduct to go to north easten marine,and wallsend.it is possible that the loop was tackled from both ends .in later days diesels would often come in hauling a freight liner some times loaded and spend several hours on shed for what reason i do not know ,maybe turn a wheel flat out or repair some thing.
Gosforth had the only wheel turning facilities in the area. I know diesels went in there, but not steam engines (as far as I know).
BTW. the original shed a South Gosforth was a steam shed. Will look up the details and report soon.
Malcolm
According to Ken Hoole the NER decided to build a shed at South Gosforth to replace the Blyth and Tyne one at New Bridge Street. A tender of £480 was accepted, and the shed was a two-road corrugated iron coated structure (150 feet by 31 feet). Probable date of opening was December 1902. However, records indicate that it only stayed open for two years (closed in August 1904). Ken Hoole notes that the shed was in the triangle where the present shed stands and that a water column stayed in place for many years.
Malcolm
Re: First dieselised ex-steam shed?
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:42 pm
by Bryan
With reference to South Gosforth.
Snowplough number 17 (900571) was allocated to S Gosforth until after 1947.
If only electrics were allocated to the shed what pushed the plough?
This plough was the unusual one being double ended on a 4 wheel chassis ex shunting truck.
Re: First dieselised ex-steam shed?
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:51 pm
by third-rail
i think ken hoole may have been wrong, the new car sheds where built outside the east west leg of the triangle along with the garden village housing scheme,the steam shed may have been where the present day two road metro piant shop is, the east west leg was disconnected when metro took over and turned into stabling roads,howevar a new single track was laid between the depot and the houses to allow sweets to get in and out of rowntrees fawdon factory and explosives to go to callerton.