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After occasionally watching for several years now a dvd about the railway route from Leeds City across to the Settle & Carlisle line as far as the Ribblehead viaduct via Skipton & Hellifield there is mention made on a number of occasions during the dvd of a regular steam hauled freight working that ran during the years the film footage was mainly shot between 1964-67 of a train called the '3:25pm Starton to Carlisle goods' which was sometimes worked by a Britannia and on other occasions by a Black 5 or even a Jubilee.

Firstly I am not sure of the spelling of the name if it's spelt Starton or Starten and secondly does anyone knows where Starton or Starten is or was exactly?.

Mickey

G'day Gents

Hi Micky, I have a mileage book with all the locations for the Carlisle and Settle, but it's in the shed, give me a couple of hours to find it.

manna

Thanks manna but the place called Starton (or Starten?) was either located before reaching Leeds City station coming from the east direction or maybe it was located on the eastern outskirts of Leeds City station??.

The '3:25pm Starton to Carlisle goods' was a rather lengthy loose coupled or partially fitted mixed goods consisting of mainly box vans with maybe with some mineral wagons and bogie-bolster flat wagons towards the back end of the train with a brake van at the rear.

Mickey

It'll be Stourton - it's in Leeds, near Hunslet I think. Often pronounced to sound like Sturton or Sterton.

Pennine MC wrote:It'll be Stourton - it's in Leeds, near Hunslet I think. Often pronounced 'Sturton'

Thanks for the answer Ian i've seen the name Stourton written down many times before in the past with regards to the Leeds area although the narrator of the dvd pronounces Stourton as Starten.

Maybe that is how Stourton is pronounced as Starten but for a number of years whenever i've watched this particular dvd (I originally watched it back in the mid/late 1990s on video cassette as well) I always wondered where was this Starten place??.

Thanks for clearing up the mystery.

Mickey

No probs Mickey. I knew it straight away, I've seen a few photos of Alberta on that turn, which was one of Holbeck's celebrity Jubes.

Yes some of the last few Jubilees in service such as Kolhapur, Alberta & Sturdee finished there last days (1967) working in & out of Leeds over the Settle & Carlisle road.

Leeds City station and the surrounding railway geography around Leeds looked like a pretty interesting place back in the 1960s.

Mickey

Yeah obviously a pronunciation of the place name Stourton or Stourton Junction at Leeds Stevie as pointed out by Ian.

For a number of years whenever i've watched the dvd concerned which happens to be a Transport Video Publishing title called-

Memories of Steam: Leeds to the Roof of England which mainly deals with the route west from Leeds City to the Ribblehead viaduct through Shipley, Skipton, Hellifield & Horton-in-Ribblesdale during the years 1964-1967 with a number of mentions during the course of the dvd of this "3:25 Starten to Carlisle goods" and i've often wondered where this 'Starten' place was or is??.

In actual fact I kinda like the name 'Starten' for a railway place.

Mickey

Oh no a Yorkshire place-name pronunciation fest, there must be whole volumes on this, never mind the web.

Stourton is the place you are after. I would not like to say what is the correct way of saying said same. Despite living in the West Riding for more years than anywhere else.

Try Gomersal and worse Southowram for size. Assuming one knows how Keighley goes.

John

JASd17 wrote: Try Gomersal and worse Southowram for size. Assuming one knows how Keighley goes.

Not to mention Appletreewick...

Yes John Stourton it is but if your watching the dvd Memories of Steam: Leeds to the Roof of England it's pronounced Starten or Starton by the dvd narrator which is ok cos I actually like the name Starton or Starten?.

Talking about Leeds I remember back around the summer of 1978 being a passenger riding in a train of BR Mk1 coaches behind a class 45 'Peak' that came up road off the Settle & Carlisle from Warcop after joining the S&C proper at Appleby and then southwards passed Ais Gill s/box and Garsdale station & s/box then passed Blea Moor s/box and across the Ribblehead viaduct through Settle Junction and on through Hellifield, Skipton & Shipley to the Leeds area all via the Midland route all the way up to London cos all the s/boxes we passed virtually all of them were of the Midland Railway type, I remember passing through the Leeds area cos there were still several large Midland Railway s/boxes that we passed that were still working at that time.

Mickey