The Railway Series

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Re: The Railway Series

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In my view, I don't think Awdry's original books did the railway hobby any harm, but I do agree about the cashing-out of the TV series.
If anything, I think that the "Thomas industry" and all that is associated with it, does railway modelling more harm than good.
The TV Thomas industry was born out of Britt Allcroft's intents of becoming a millionaire rather than what Awdry wished. Awdry hated the fact Britt was cashing Thomas out and subsequently taking the TV series it's own direction. The departure began around 1992 with the third season of the TV show.
"Merely reveal their lamentable ignorance of railway matters! That such rubbish should be credited to me is a gross insult!"
However, the directors didn't take his complaints seriously. By the fifth season (1998), the show had completely departed from Awdry's stories with no real resemblance to the original Railway Series books. A few episodes were based on real incidents, but nothing from Awdry's books. Many episodes were miserably unrealistic as well.

Allcroft kept her monopoly on Thomas until her big budget film (Thomas and the Magic Railroad) was a massive box office flop, which resulted in her being ousted from top tier in her own production company. I cannot comment much on HiT's work with Thomas, but I feel they missed an opportunity by not going back to the "original" Thomas and adapting the remaining Railway Series books. It seems, though, the TV Thomas series now mostly exists for the sake of toy sales rather than what it began as (decent Railway Series adaptions for TV).

The Railway Series, on the other hand, never really cashed itself out badly, merchandise being restricted to "bare essentials" (books, some models, some other books, few other goods) and the series never gave into massive hype as the TV show did. The last RWS book was published last year. Realism was always a key in the RWS books, this I think would have helped children become interested in real railways and how they worked.

On another note, look at this old news article about Britt Allcroft and one of Awdry's sources of influence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/619832.stm
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The Talyllyn Railway was all based for the skarloey railway a particular story mentions The Talyllyn Railway as rheaneas & skarloey are being prepared to celebrate thier 100th birthday Talyllyn = skarloey
duloach = rheaneas
sir hayden = sir handel

cant remember what peter sam was originally called

the only exception was duke who was based on prince on the ffestiniog railway (apologise to the spelling if incorrect)
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WOOTANG wrote: Talyllyn = skarloey
duloach = rheaneas
sir hayden = sir handel

cant remember what peter sam was originally called
That's correct;

Talyllyn = Skarloey
Dolgoch = Renehas
Sir Haydn = Sir Handel
Edward Thomas = Peter Sam
Midlander = Rusty
Douglas = Duncan
Prince = Duke
Tom Rolt = Ivo Hugh

The RWS did a similar thing with the Ravenglass & Eskdale Railway.
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Prince being a Ffestiniog 'Big England'. In the books he was originally on the same railway as Peter Sam & Sir Handel - a Corris-inspired line but with rather larger mountains. I think the story of the discovery of 'Duke' (Prince) was based on a locomotive found in South America?
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that would explain the episode called 'SLEEPING BEAUTY'
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richard wrote:Prince being a Ffestiniog 'Big England'. In the books he was originally on the same railway as Peter Sam & Sir Handel - a Corris-inspired line but with rather larger mountains. I think the story of the discovery of 'Duke' (Prince) was based on a locomotive found in South America?
I'm not sure if the story was based on that, or whether Rev. Awdry found out about it after writing (but before publication).

I always liked the fact that Sir Handels and Peter Sams "old names" (Falcon and Stuart respectively) are based on the manufacturers, same with Rusty.
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Majormagna wrote:
WOOTANG wrote: Talyllyn = skarloey
duloach = rheaneas
sir hayden = sir handel

cant remember what peter sam was originally called
That's correct;

Talyllyn = Skarloey
Dolgoch = Renehas
Sir Haydn = Sir Handel
Edward Thomas = Peter Sam
Midlander = Rusty
Douglas = Duncan
Prince = Duke
Tom Rolt = Ivo Hugh

The RWS did a similar thing with the Ravenglass & Eskdale Railway.
You forgot one locomotive.
Russell = Freddie
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there was another couple of locos called
'SMUDGER' (GRANDPUFF)
again based on dulogch
'BERTRAM' (TOBY'S DISCOVERY)
looks like the same model as duke
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Didn't mean to "Bump" an older thread, but I saw this in the news recently.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9806058 ... _producer/

A shame another one of the original Thomas crew is gone. The original Clearwater series really was a fine work on it's own, not to mention good adaptions of the Awdry books which later seasons lacked.

On another note, there was a BBC adaption of the Railway Series dating to 1955, using modified Hornby locomotives as the characters. I'm trying to find any photos, if not a video, of this adaption which is said to have been less than a success. As for how bad this adaption was...
"Once an engine attached to a train, Was afraid of a few drops of rain. He came off the track; the rails were too slack! A hand put him back on again!"
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R.I.P thank you for making my childhood

Once an engine attached to a train
was afraid of a few drops rain
it went into a tunnel
and squeaked funnel
and wouldn't come out again
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favourite piece of music
stepneys music
or james' music
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None of the TV series music was ever issued on a CD or cassette tape as far as I know. All that I've found in unmodified format are the Thomas and James themes from the first series.
Once an engine attached to a train
was afraid of a few drops rain
it went into a tunnel
and squeaked funnel
and wouldn't come out again
This rhyme did not originate in the Thomas canon but rather elsewhere, supposedly dating back to before the first world war. The original rhyme went as such:
Once an engine when fixed to a train
Was alarmed at a few drops of rain,
So went 'puff' from its funnel
Then fled to a tunnel,
And would not come out again.
When I grew up watching the TV series, it never hit me that they were all based on predominantly British locomotives (though I sure knew they weren't based on anything that ran over here). It was only after reading the original Awdry books (with footnotes aplenty) did I see what his characters were based on.
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i knew duck was a GWR 57XX pannier tank
and i knew oliver was a GWR 14XX
but as for the rest i wasnt 100% sure my self
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WOOTANG wrote:i knew duck was a GWR 57XX pannier tank
and i knew oliver was a GWR 14XX
but as for the rest i wasnt 100% sure my self
If it helps,
Thomas: LBSCR E2 0-6-0T
Edward: Rebuilt FR "Larger Seagull" 4-4-0
Henry: LMS 5MT "Black Five" 4-6-0
Gordon: LNER A1/A3 4-6-2
James: Hughes L&YR Class 28 rebuilt into 2-6-0
Percy: Avonside 0-4-0ST
Toby: GER Wisbech steam tram J70 0-6-0T
Diesel: BR Class 08 0-6-0
Donald/Douglas: CR "812" 0-6-0

I think those are the basises for the main characters.
I don't intend to depress anyone, but take a look at this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ank-engine
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gordon confused me
ORIGINAL STORIES: A1/A3
TV SERIES: PRINCESS
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