The LNER Encyclopedia

I Think the buses in Bradford were jointly owned by LNER/LMS at one time. Anyone got more details livery etc.

Thanks

Some great pics of Bradford Trolley buses on this site, some in colour.

http://website.lineone.net/~john-mighty ... 47x703.jpg

Schlumberger used to do a very good promotional calender usually featuring past transport, a couple of years ago one featured Bradford buses in a Navy Blue & Cream livery.

I recollect that the buses in Bradford were supposed to have the LNER/LMS crest on the sides or am i getting confused with somewhere else

The file contains an extract from " The Golden Age Of Buses" no mention of Bradford but Halifax & Huddersfield seem to have had such an arrangement.

I was born in Bradford in 1951 and can never remmber seeing any buses with LNER or LMS on
the sides or anyware else.
All the Buses I saw were Bradford Corporation Blue and Cream,The Trolley Buses were the same.
Mick.

IIRC the only differences in appearance with "Jointly owned" buses were the railway crest in addition to/combined with the "City" crest the legal lettering (low down on the nearside panelling) indicating ownership. So it wasn't immediately obvious. (Removes Anorak)

Quite a few Bradford buses still around, including here:

http://www.kbmt.org.uk/

Mick wrote:I was born in Bradford in 1951 and can never remmber seeing any buses with LNER or LMS on
the sides or anyware else.
All the Buses I saw were Bradford Corporation Blue and Cream,The Trolley Buses were the same.
Mick.

Assuming it would be around 1955 when you would have taken notice of things like logos, etc., then, by then, I would have thought any LNER or LMS insignia would have long since been removed.

I have an original transfer from a Halifax Joint Committee bus which incorporates the Halifax Corporation, LMS and LNER coats of arms. It's entirely possible that these buses ran into Bradford?

Last time I rode on a Bradford Trolley bus was between Southport and St Helens in 1975.

We even tried to power it up on route when the trolley poles ripped down someones telephone cable strung from a pole across the road..

I once got knocked down by a Bradford trolly bus.
Got out of my vehicle, leaned back in after noting a bus down the road, got some papers off the seat stood back to close the door and "wham" the bloody thing hit me and knocked me sideways.
Never heard it so didn't look.and it was a quiet evening so no other traffic to hide the sound of it coming, just never seen one before.

The LNER acquired road transport operating powers on 3 August 1928 under the London and North Eastern Railway (Road Transport) Act 1928. It then took financial interests in the following companies:

East Midland Motor Services Ltd 33.3%

East Yorkshire Motor Services Ltd 49.8%

North Western Road Car Co Ltd 16.6%

Trent Motor Traction Co Ltd 13.9%

Yorkshire Traction Co Ltd 24.5%

Hebble Motor Services Ltd 12.5%

Northern General Transport Co Ltd 44%

Yorkshire Woollen District Transport Co Ltd 16.6%

Eastern National Omnibus Co Ltd 25%

Eastern Counties Omnibus Co Ltd 24.35%

Lincolnshire Road Car Co Ltd 31.2%

United Automobile Services Ltd 49.01%

West Yorkshire Road Car Co Ltd 24.9%

and entered into operating agreements with Halifax, Sheffield, Huddersfield and Todmorden Corporations. Bradford was never involved in any railway joint committee.

The usual arrangement for these was for the railway companies involved to own part of the fleet but leave it to the municipality to run the vehicles and pay the railways an agreed proportion of net revenue earned by them.

In the case of Sheffield this led to suffix letters being added to fleet numbers to indicate vehicle ownership. The "A" fleet was owned by the city council, the "B" by the LMS and the "C" by the LNER.

Thanks for that Mr Bunt, being a Northumbrian (we stopped the Romans) not a Yorkshireman I appeared to have Huddersfield and Bradford confused.

I well remember the Buses passing through South Anston on the Retford and Gainsbrough route from Sheffield were part L.N.E.R. because I could use my 'residential pass' to and from work on them to Darnall.

When I was on early mornings I used to walk to Anston and catch the last one to Darnall at about 23.45 ish and get there and kip on a loco in the shed of if there was a guards van use that, as the first bus from where I lived didn't get me there until 0730 unless I biked either to Swallownest and caught an earlier bus from there or biked all the way, 10 miles with lots of hills.

If I finished work after 2200 the only ride home was a L.E to Retford at about 0030 which the signal man at Darnall West would stop for me to cadge a lift or a goods heading that way if the L.E had already gone

If I rode the footplate I was expected to fire it if I road in the guards van they would more than likely forget to slow down at Kiveton for me to drop off, so I then had to get a lift back from Worksop.

Eventually my uncle bought a motor bike.

I have a 1985 time table that shows it still ran then as route 85, hourly to Retford and 2 hourly through to Gainsbrough

Ay up!

On a trip to our local open air museum in the Black Country they were having a Silent Traction weekend using both trolleybuses and trams. 2 Bradford ones were in the line-up, one of which had a driver with the widest grin you've ever seen. It was the first chance he'd had to drive it. Ever. I enjoyed that because I just remember the trolleybuses in Bradford. Just.

Sadly, it will also be the last. Recently some theiving scumbags helped themselves to the trolley catenary for both trams and trolleybus routes. Sufficient spares were to hand for the tramtrack but noot the trolleybus route.

I blame the scrap dealers. Don't they look at stuff? Well, actually they do then offer a lesser amount depending on the chance of getting caught!