For signallers old and new?

[StevieG]

For some reason i really can't get into these computer simulation thing's....i wonder why?

Time (lack of) ?
Don't need oiling/greasing?

[strang steel]

Thanks Micky and StevieG, for your patience and excellent explanations.

Another question from a dunce; if I get or receive the train in section or out of section bells, are they supposed to be acknowledged by repeating the codes back, or are they just for info only?

[R. pike]

For some reason i really can't get into these computer simulation thing's....i wonder why?

Time (lack of) ?
Don't need oiling/greasing?

I did have a copy of the Ely North Junction simulation by John Dennis but i prefer mine..

[John Palmer]

However the WR Regs. still allowed the GWR method; - that there was no CA used at all for TOS, and the 2-1 did not have to be acknowledged either.

I wonder whether the WR Regs were, in fact, changed to accommodate GW practice. There certainly seems to have been a time when Divisional Inspectors insisted that WR signalmen followed BR Regs and preceded TOS with CA - with box in rear required to repeat back TOS. In chapter 8 of his book 'An entry in the train register', John Francis recounts the state of hostilities that could arise when one signalman stuck to the BR Regs whilst a diehard GW colleague in the adjacent box insisted on following the old company's way.

[Mickey]

Thanks Micky and StevieG, for your patience and excellent explanations.

Another question from a dunce; if I get or receive the train in section or out of section bells, are they supposed to be acknowledged by repeating the codes back, or are they just for info only?

Yeah no problem John i usually post all this stuff when i'm in the box anyway although i havan't worked Absolute block since 1990.

1.Officially with regards to Train out of section the signalman giving Train out of section is suppose to call attention (1 beat on the bell) to the box in the rear and the signalman at the box in the rear is suppose to acknowledge the call attention then the signalman at the box in advance will give the Train out of section (2-1 bell) to the signalman at the box in the rear and the signalman at the box in the rear is suppose to acknowledge the Train out of section (2-1 bell) to the box in advance then the signalman at the box in advance will 'drop the needle' or place the comutator on the block instrument back to Line Blocked or Normal.

2.But the more usual way of doing it is the signalman at the box in advance will just give Train out of section (2-1) to the signalman at the box in the rear and 'drop the needle' back to Line Blocked or Normal.

3.Another way of doing it (i've heard) is for the signalman at the box in advance to just call attention (1 beat on the bell) on the block instrument and 'drop the needle' back to Line Blocked or Normal the signalman at the box in the rear doesn't do anything BUT if the signalman at the box in advance calls attention again it's a unofficial way of letting the signalman at the box in the rear know that the signalman at the box in advance has 'got company or a visitor' and the signalman at the box in the rear should answer the call attention and the Train out of section will be given in the proper way as shown in example 1.

[StevieG]

Thanks Micky and StevieG, for your patience and excellent explanations.

Another question from a dunce; if I get or receive the train in section or out of section bells, are they supposed to be acknowledged by repeating the codes back, or are they just for info only?

Yeah no problem John i usually post all this stuff when i'm in the box anyway although i havan't worked Absolute block since 1990.

1.Officially with regards to Train out of section the signalman giving Train out of section is suppose to call attention (1 beat on the bell) to the box in the rear and the signalman at the box in the rear is suppose to acknowledge the call attention then the signalman at the box in advance will give the Train out of section (2-1 bell) to the signalman at the box in the rear and the signalman at the box in the rear is suppose to acknowledge the Train out of section (2-1 bell) to the box in advance then the signalman at the box in advance will 'drop the needle' or place the comutator on the block instrument back to Line Blocked or Normal.

2.But the more usual way of doing it is the signalman at the box in advance will just give Train out of section (2-1) to the signalman at the box in the rear and 'drop the needle' back to Line Blocked or Normal.

3.Another way of doing it (i've heard) is for the signalman at the box in advance to just call attention (1 beat on the bell) on the block instrument and 'drop the needle' back to Line Blocked or Normal the signalman at the box in the rear doesn't do anything BUT if the signalman at the box in advance calls attention again it's a unofficial way of letting the signalman at the box in the rear know that the signalman at the box in advance has 'got company or a visitor' and the signalman at the box in the rear should answer the call attention and the Train out of section will be given in the proper way as shown in example 1.

As I believe SS is still asking only in connection with working simulation software Micky, your correct official method (No. 1.) may be the only one that the program accepts and understands as correct (unless his simulation is geared to one of the old official variations that I referred to previously), so your Nos. 2 & 3 may be useless and mislead/confuse SS.

SS, regarding whether you acknowledge received TES or TOS codes by repeating the received code, the 'norm' (but see my previous comments re possible official variations) would be 'Yes', and if you see the phrase "acknowledge by repetition" (as I used in the previous post), that's what it should mean.

[StevieG]

For some reason i really can't get into these computer simulation thing's....i wonder why?

Time (lack of) ?
Don't need oiling/greasing?

I did have a copy of the Ely North Junction simulation by John Dennis but i prefer mine..

What excellent judgement and taste!