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Quick question - I know this was Eastern Region but did the LNER operate it pre-1948?

If I'm not mistaken, Exchange was an L&Y station and Court House a GC station.
At Grouping, Court House remained LNER but Exchange was operated by both the LNER & LMS as equal partners, each having their own managers (source 'Rails through Barnsley', Alan Whitehouse)

Brian

BHornsey wrote:If I'm not mistaken, Exchange was an L&Y station and Court House a GC station.
At Grouping, Court House remained LNER but Exchange was operated by both the LNER & LMS as equal partners, each having their own managers (source 'Rails through Barnsley', Alan Whitehouse)

Brian

Court House was MR and definitely came under the LMS, whereas Exchange was an LYR/GCR joint venture, which gives credence to what you say about it being jointly operated by the LNER and LMS.

For some reason I can just see Apple Green locos in Barnsley. Not sure what it is.

"For some reason I can just see Apple Green locos in Barnsley. Not sure what it is."

For your information - if I have understood the meaning of the above correctly - you are wrong. Apple Green locomotives were to be seen in Barnsley. In June 1947 Mexborough shed received from Vulcan Foundry an allocation of new B1 4-6-0s 1165- 1168 followed in November 1947 by 1174 on transfer. All of these locomotives were initially painted in apple green livery. These engines were daily sights working through Barnsley on trains from Penistone to Doncaster and occasionally Barnsley to Sheffield Victoria via the former GCR route.

Barnsley Court House Station was Joint Midland/MSLR later GCR then LMS/LNER. The staff had uniform buttons bearing letters BJS in intertwined script. This represented 'Barnsley Joint Station'.

Barnsley Exchange Station was originally named Regent Street Station and jointly owned by the LYR/SYR - the MSLR inherited its interest when it took over the South Yorkshire Railway.

The MSLR left Regent Street/Exchange when Court House was opened in 1870.

DG
69999

69999 wrote:"For some reason I can just see Apple Green locos in Barnsley. Not sure what it is."

For your information - if I have understood the meaning of the above correctly - you are wrong. Apple Green locomotives were to be seen in Barnsley. In June 1947 Mexborough shed received from Vulcan Foundry an allocation of new B1 4-6-0s 1165- 1168 followed in November 1947 by 1174 on transfer. All of these locomotives were initially painted in apple green livery. These engines were daily sights working through Barnsley on trains from Penistone to Doncaster and occasionally Barnsley to Sheffield Victoria via the former GCR route.

Barnsley Court House Station was Joint Midland/MSLR later GCR then LMS/LNER. The staff had uniform buttons bearing letters BJS in intertwined script. This represented 'Barnsley Joint Station'.

Barnsley Exchange Station was originally named Regent Street Station and jointly owned by the LYR/SYR - the MSLR inherited its interest when it took over the South Yorkshire Railway.

The MSLR left Regent Street/Exchange when Court House was opened in 1870.

DG
69999

Yep, you've definitely misunderstood my meaning - I mean that something about the livery fits in harmoniously with the landscape and architecture of the area.

What you've said counters what I've read previously - admittedly this was on Wikipedia but perhaps you could ease my confusion? It says on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnsley_C ... ay_station that the Midland opened a new, temporary station at Regent Street due to the cramped conditions at Exchange (I understand it was not called this at the time? I know that in the 20s for a brief period it was Low Town). Apparently Court House was built on the old Regent Street site, no? The building for Court House still exists and is itself on Regent Street, with Exchange on Eldon Street, so this would make sense.

I also read on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnsley_Exchange_Station that Exchange was indeed SYDR - but only prior to becoming GCR, along with the MLR becoming the LYR.

Court House, according to the above, was the one jointly owned by the SYR and MSLR, later the LMS and not the GCR due to the SYR moving its interests to Exchange.

Or have they got this completely wrong? If so, what are your sources? I'd love to read more.

Hello again.
Firstly apologies for the misunderstanding.
I would discount all you read about this in Wikipaedia.
The best source of historical information is to be found in 'Great Central' by George Dow. Vol 2 page 53.
As a passenger station and apart from seasonal special trains, Barnsley Exchange station was used solely by trains using the ex L&Y/LMS line to and from Wakefield.
My sources? Born there - spent many years researching and collecting relevant material etc etc..

DG
69999

69999 wrote:Hello again.
Firstly apologies for the misunderstanding.
I would discount all you read about this in Wikipaedia.
The best source of historical information is to be found in 'Great Central' by George Dow. Vol 2 page 53.
As a passenger station and apart from seasonal special trains, Barnsley Exchange station was used solely by trains using the ex L&Y/LMS line to and from Wakefield.
My sources? Born there - spent many years researching and collecting relevant material etc etc..

DG
69999

Excellent, thank-you.

My girlfriend lives in Barnsley, see, so I've become interested in the railway scene there. I was interested to discover the old elevated line to Court House, running along Eldon Street where the entrance to Interchange now is, but I've found the early history of the site to be something of a mystery, hence my posting here. I just could not figure it out.

Interesting to note that, unless my understanding of railway operations is at fault, the bi-directional line at Barnsley still exists, since I have had a Leeds train go bang road on a Sunday to drop me off! I think something was stuck on the other line. If the line were not bi-directional still, would they not have been able to do this?

So LNER services didn't call at Exchange?

Great amount of info you're sharing!

The Pre-Grouping Atlas lists two stations for Barnsley: Court House - Mid (GC) and Low Town - L&Y (GC), from which I gather that the GC merely had running rights into these stations and did not own or co-own either of them. I assume that Low Town was later renamed Exchange.

There's some history about Barnsley and the railways around it plus plenty of photos in Railway Memories No. 8, Barnsley, Cudworth & Royston, Green & Rose, published by Bellcode Books.

Peter