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I just want to ask has anyone here ever considered what it would be like to have Flying Scotsman re-painted into it's original Great Northern colours with original number? I mean, it's already been in BR livery and the recent Wartime Black certainly surprised me. I'm sure the only problem people would have would be the double chimney. (by the way I am very new to all this so I don't know what to expect)

Was it ever in GNR livery? As it was outshopped in 1923 surely it went straight into LNER colours?

Apart from the fact that I have attached nameplates, this is how FS entered service. Only 1470 and 1471 entered service in GN livery.

Perhaps the new built merchants should have recreated 1470 - it would probably have cost less than the FS rebuild!

I think she was only painted in GNR livery temporarily but when she was put into service her livery changed to LNER. I believe that 1470 "Great Northern" and 1471 "Sir Frederick Banbury" were released into service in GNR liveries.

According to RCTS 1472 entered traffic as L&NER 1471 and was soon changed to LNER 1472N. It then went to the BE Exhibition for most of 1925 & 1926 as 4472. However it had the GN style boiler fittings and cab, and A1 boiler and coal rail tender so it would be virtually impossible to turn her out now as 1472. There were also a number of minor differences like cab sides, buffer beam etc, so a new build might have been an answer!

Surely you mean for 1471 read 1472? There were of course no Great Northern A3s as A3 class didn't exist until July 1927 when Enterprise (4480) was rebuilt with a 220 psi boiler. It initially retained its GN boiler fittings and cab before being reduced to composite loading gauge in February 1928.

4470-80 were the only A3s built to GN loading gauge - 4481 as 1481N was the first to have a reduced height but futher locomotives 2543-62 and 2563-82 had boiler mountings and cab height reduced further to heights which became standard.

In my mind it is a pity that the NRM have to stick with the Kylchap and deflectors in LNER livery. In any case the locomotive can never be historically accurate as an A3 in LNER livery as she was always RHD in LNER days.

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I've never understood why Hornby havn't done an A1 in GNR livery. Seem to have covered every other livery option on A1s and A3s.

Not quite we are still waiting for a Non Corridor Tender to be done in LNER tooooooooooo. Perhaps next year if Book Law surfaces from the suspended/cancelled2012 list.

Apart from the fact that I have attached nameplates, this is how FS entered service.

Great models, thanks for sharing.

The A1s look so nice in original LNER colors. Really conveys the image of "classic steam" in my view.

Sadly, I think that the appeal of pre-nationalisation liveries is on the wane. I always feel that a lot of what people want to recreate is embedded in memories of their formative years, so that the current generation of modellers (and sadly when I look around at exhibitions there are few under the age of fifty) tend to favour the BR steam era onwards and it would seem that this is what is selling.

Although I date from the BR era my interest in railways has gone backwards and so I enjoy my locos in LNER & LMS liveries, but my operating layout is BR!

Hornby and Bachmann have both said the same re levels of popularity.
However someone out there must be modelling LNER, judging from the prices people using ebay are willing on to pay for LNER related models.
I am glad to say i wasnt around pre 1948 and only have very vague memories of BR steam too.
However when it comes to modelling, I have seen nothing to compare with a nice drop of Apple Green and Garter Blue.

mick b wrote:Hornby and Bachmann have both said the same re levels of popularity.
However someone out there must be modelling LNER, judging from the prices people using ebay are willing on to pay for LNER related models.
I am glad to say i wasnt around pre 1948 and only have very vague memories of BR steam too.
However when it comes to modelling, I have seen nothing to compare with a nice drop of Apple Green and Garter Blue.

It will come as no surprise if I say I couldn't agree more!

Of course if the preserved examples were to be maintained in pre 1948 liveries then the modern era modeller would have the best of both worlds!

Saint Johnstoun wrote:Sadly, I think that the appeal of pre-nationalisation liveries is on the wane. I always feel that a lot of what people want to recreate is embedded in memories of their formative years, so that the current generation of modellers (and sadly when I look around at exhibitions there are few under the age of fifty) tend to favour the BR steam era onwards and it would seem that this is what is selling.

Although I date from the BR era my interest in railways has gone backwards and so I enjoy my locos in LNER & LMS liveries, but my operating layout is BR!

I typically prefer the British pre-nationalization colors, so many liveries from all the railway companies. Over here most railway companies painted their locomotives black, bar the 30's streamliners.

No doubt of course, some locomotives look quite good in black...

I'm modeling the mid 20s so a splatter of pre grouping liverys are allowed

I'm not quite old enough to have seen real working steam on the nations railways. Free form the influence of rose-tinted personal memories I have always modelled the pre-1941 era, aand I'm somewhat tempted to have ago at the Edwardian phase at some stage too. It's all in my mind's eye, based on interpretation of photographs and written accounts in either case. "Balance" in demand for RTR models to suit different periods may be restored once the merciless passage of time eliminates the current crop of "retired but still fairly healthy" 50s/60s train spotters trying to re-live their youth.