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anyone know the master cutler formation of the early 1950's, when A3 hauled?

paullad1984 wrote:anyone know the master cutler formation of the early 1950's, when A3 hauled?

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Unfortunetly i cant view that site, our system blocks it!

paullad1984 wrote:Unfortunetly i cant view that site, our system blocks it!

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Yes but not everyone uses their own computer some have to try and work around "Work" provided computers and their restrictions.

Bryan wrote:Yes but not everyone uses their own computer some have to try and work around "Work" provided computers and their restrictions.

Sorry, I can't help with that.

Anyone interested in formations of GC London Expresses in BR days can access the information through my Yahoo Group - link below - if their systems allow. Otherwise please send me a PM with your email address and I shall email the file. It's a 56-page document.

For those who can access dropbox, I have updated the link below to be to the current version of the notes:

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Try right click and Save Target As.

Big thankyou for the info, much appreciated.

My notes on GC expresses are currently being updated so the old Dropbox links will no longer work. Hence I have removed the links.

Here is the Master Cutler formation as listed in the winter 1953-4 carriage workings:



Asterisk indicates BR Standard stock (more commonly known as Mark I stock today).

‡ indicates Gresley end-door stock.

Italics indicate dining seats not counted in seating totals.

The RF and RTP were Gresley stock.

Although the train is listed with a BR Standard RFO, photos indicate that a post-war (Thompson) FO was in use at this time. Similarly, the BCK was a post-war example. Published photos from 1954 also show the FO retained in the formation on Saturdays. These points demonstrate the limitations of carriage working books.

And here in the Summer 1950 carriage workings. Note the instruction 'LIVERIED TRAIN-COACHES PAINTED CRIMSON LAKE AND CREAM'
Crimson Lake and Cream was the official and proper description for the first BR gangwayed coach livery, but is usually and acceptably abbreviated to Crimson and Cream. It is evident then that those who insist that it is 'Carmine' have got it absolutely wrong. One would not expect any authoritative work on carriages or passenger services to use 'Carmine' but there are some that still insist on doing so, even today...