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The LNER Encyclopedia • Where is this please?
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Where is this please?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:28 pm
by Spamcan81
Image

Inscription on the back says Hitchin but looks wrong to me for Hitchin.

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:02 pm
by Wavey
Don't know where it is but the Thompson carriage in the background is interesting. It appears to be on the prototype single bolster, all welded bogies that were introduced when the first Thompson carriages were introduced post war. I thought these were subsequently replaced with 'Gresley' bogies due to poor ride quality? The photo seems to suggest that some lasted well into the 1950's.

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:15 pm
by 60526
It looks like Hornsey with a northbound train.

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:25 pm
by third-rail
60526 wrote:It looks like Hornsey with a northbound train.

i thought it looked like a train south bound after leaving carlton tunnel edinburgh

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:31 pm
by 52A
Not Edinburgh, also ordinary passenger train headcode.

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:45 pm
by Spamcan81
52A wrote:Not Edinburgh, also ordinary passenger train headcode.
The first two carriages look like suburban stock.

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:16 pm
by manna
G'Day Gents

I would say the train was on the Down Fast, passing through Ferme Park goods yard, the coaches on the left are probably on,Up Goods, and as there being steam heated, there on there way to KX, ECS.

I would also say the photographer is standing at the bottom of the platform ramp (Down Slow)

manna

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:45 am
by hq1hitchin
manna wrote:G'Day Gents

I would say the train was on the Down Fast, passing through Ferme Park goods yard, the coaches on the left are probably on,Up Goods, and as there being steam heated, there on there way to KX, ECS.

I would also say the photographer is standing at the bottom of the platform ramp (Down Slow)

manna
That gets my vote, too - we're about to pass through Hornsey Station on the Down Fast line.

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:19 am
by strang steel
I would have liked to have been an outer suburban commuter that day, with an A4 on the front to liven up my non-corridor experience, and on the fast line too.

Maybe a service to Peterborough, and the loco is working its way to the Plant?

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:36 am
by rob237
There was a regular - if not daily - KX-Grantham 'Parly' working in the mid 50's, which very often produced a 34A A4.
Sir Ralph always seemed to be a popular choice...
Several (PH Groom?) pictures of this train have appeared over the years, whilst calling at such places as Essendine and Little Bytham.
Cheers
Robt P.

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:25 am
by S.A.C. Martin
rob237 wrote:There was a regular - if not daily - KX-Grantham 'Parly' working in the mid 50's, which very often produced a 34A A4.
Sir Ralph always seemed to be a popular choice...
Several (PH Groom?) pictures of this train have appeared over the years, whilst calling at such places as Essendine and Little Bytham.
Cheers
Robt P.
Now that's piqued my interest (I wonder why?!)

Does anyone have any photographs of this working with 60006 on the front? I'd love to see them :)

What was the thinking behind this particular scheduled train?

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:25 pm
by Blink Bonny
Ay up!

I wonder if she's approaching Doncaster from the south. The track layout looks about right for steam days (it was much more spacious in the diesel days I know), curving away to the left. However, what makes me think Donny is simply the condition of the engine. Just marvel at it: no scrapes on the lamp brackets, not even a chip on the AWS bang plate and a shine on the AWS receiver. Were the recievers ever cleaned, even in Peter Townsend's heyday?

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:59 pm
by Spamcan81
Thanks for all the replies. Another photographer on my group has posted a colour shot taken in almost the same spot and has confirmed the location as Hornsey. It has been suggested elsewhere that the train is, quote "the 19.34 Kings Cross - Peterborough. In spite of calling everywhere north of Potters Bar it was an A4 turn."

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:08 pm
by hq1hitchin
Spamcan81 wrote:Thanks for all the replies. Another photographer on my group has posted a colour shot taken in almost the same spot and has confirmed the location as Hornsey. It has been suggested elsewhere that the train is, quote "the 19.34 Kings Cross - Peterborough. In spite of calling everywhere north of Potters Bar it was an A4 turn."
If I remember rightly, it came as a bit of a surprise to a lot of us c.1973 to discover that this stretch of railway between Harringay and Hornsey is actually built on arches that were filled in long, long ago.

Re: Where is this please?

Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:17 pm
by kudu
I identified this location as soon as I saw the picture, and it isn't Doncaster or Edinburgh. I can't swear Manna has it exactly right, but I'm happy to accept his statement on trust. Without checking other pictures, I'm sure this photo predates the flats on Mount View Road (on the horizon to the right) and, memory being an unreliable data source, I'm wondering if we can date this photo at all, though maybe the flats came after the end of steam anyway.

I'm also wondering why the flyover approach isn't more in evidence on the down side.

Kudu