LNER Locomotive Junction

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I guess nobody will figure out the NER signalbox named "--------- Station" so I might as well reveal it was at Whittingham station on the Alnwick - Coldstream line. A tiny station with elaborate buildings http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinzac55/3317476224/ and only one signalbox named "WHITTINGHAM STATION".
You can just make out the double barrelled name here http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/w/wh ... dex3.shtml
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Well the NER also didn't like to name boxes "Number 1, Number 2" etc as with some lines like the LNWR and GNR. One exception was at the Relly Mill junctions south of Durham where you had Baxter Wood No1 and No2. I can vividly remember exploring the site of the junctions in 1976 and entering the middle of the triangle by a rough road only to find that the road had a nameboard "BAXTER WOOD then (ghost letters) No 2" fixed to a fence! Though totally honest and scrupulous I toyed with the idea of taking it home for safe keeping but it was heavy and I was on foot :cry:
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Micky wrote:You should know John did you ever use to work ENGINE SHED JUNCTION?.
No, that was for the old boys! Us young un's were stuck on the main line.
AndyRush wrote:I have Loco Junction at 0m 15¼ch on the Up side of the North Shore branch, closed by 1934 WTT, but I can't trace a 'Loco Works' at Darlington : pre -1909 presumably, as it doesn't figure in the 1909 Southern Division list of that year, nor in Dr Bragg's atlas based on the position in 1922.
You are absolutely right on Darlington - my error. The only boxes I have any record of on the Loco Works line were Rise Carr and Whessoe Lane (not a block post). Apologies for the red herring.
PinzaC55 wrote:Well the NER also didn't like to name boxes "Number 1, Number 2" etc as with some lines like the LNWR and GNR. One exception was at the Relly Mill junctions south of Durham where you had Baxter Wood No1 and No2. I can vividly remember exploring the site of the junctions in 1976 and entering the middle of the triangle by a rough road only to find that the road had a nameboard "BAXTER WOOD then (ghost letters) No 2" fixed to a fence! Though totally honest and scrupulous I toyed with the idea of taking it home for safe keeping but it was heavy and I was on foot :cry:
Newcastle? Ferryhill? York? Norton (in early years?)

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"Newcastle? Ferryhill? York? Norton (in early years?) "

Yes , that's why I said "one exception" though I cannot recall York having numbered boxes and if Norton had them it must have been VERY early as the South box dates from 1870.
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Pinza till circa 1914 Whittingham also had a branch to a Brick and Tile works. Ive only ever seen one picture of the point that controlled entry to it and none of the actual branch, be nice to find a diagram from that era.
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52D wrote:Pinza till circa 1914 Whittingham also had a branch to a Brick and Tile works. Ive only ever seen one picture of the point that controlled entry to it and none of the actual branch, be nice to find a diagram from that era.
I have several signalling diagrams for Whittingham, including one showing a siding to a "Brickworks" which I presume is one and the same.

Regarding the naming practice for NER signal boxes, the name on the nameboard outside often differed from that on the box diagram so the "official" name of a box is open to argument. The outside name was usually abbreviated as far as possible so, as has been said, the "Station" suffix was rare, as was "Junction". One such, that seems to have been quite a mix-up was Gusiborough Junction (at Middlesborough), Guisborough Junction (at Hutton) and Guisborough station itself - all of which seem to have been called plain Guisborough at some time or another although perhaps not all at once! Of course, we "historians" like to pigeonhole everything nicely but back in those days as long as the railway ran OK it really wasn't an issue . . .

I will sort that diagram out for you when I can . . . I'm a bit pushed just now and it is only in rough note form.

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Here, at last, is the layout diagram for Whittingham (or Whittingham Station if you prefer!) as at 1905:
http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=684

I'm fairly certain that the siding to the "brickyard" and the water tank siding were both removed on 26/7/15.

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Many thanks for the Whittingham diagram. It is thought the rails were removed for the WW1 war effort so that ties in nicely with your date.
Hi interested in the area served by 52D. also researching colliery wagonways from same area.
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