Kings Coss Passenger Loco
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Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
Ay up, Manna!
Most Healy Mills drivers would crack open the controller to notch 2 then notch up one stage at a time but acceleration was sooooooooooooo sloooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww. "Your" method certainly got 'em moving but needed an eagle eye on the ammeter. When overloaded, the Type 4s always made a curious groaning noise, as though in pain.
As you've gathered, HM was a freight depot. When one of theirs was on passenger duties for the first two or three accelerations, they would go like a bat out of hell up to 50mph or so then stick, because the contactors had worn tracks in the copper with a ridge at the end. Eventually, the ridge would break down to the point when the contactor could pass it, then at least two stages of field weakening would kick in, with an associated lurch forwards. After this, no more problems but moans on freight duties about "formula one cars" on the coal trains!
Happy days....
Most Healy Mills drivers would crack open the controller to notch 2 then notch up one stage at a time but acceleration was sooooooooooooo sloooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww. "Your" method certainly got 'em moving but needed an eagle eye on the ammeter. When overloaded, the Type 4s always made a curious groaning noise, as though in pain.
As you've gathered, HM was a freight depot. When one of theirs was on passenger duties for the first two or three accelerations, they would go like a bat out of hell up to 50mph or so then stick, because the contactors had worn tracks in the copper with a ridge at the end. Eventually, the ridge would break down to the point when the contactor could pass it, then at least two stages of field weakening would kick in, with an associated lurch forwards. After this, no more problems but moans on freight duties about "formula one cars" on the coal trains!
Happy days....
If I ain't here, I'm in Bilston, scoffing decent chips at last!!!!
Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
In an earlier correspondence I mentioned a foreman in the passenger loco by the name of George Hagland who left the railway around 1970, I remember talking to a Driver during the later 1960s that their seemed to be a lot of people of that name in the Kings Cross area and was told that there was no less than 23 in railway service at one time in earlier years. I was told that their were four brothers and most of their children and some grandchildren were on the railway at the same time. They covered all grades and i know 3 were Drivers As time went on with retirements and some leaving the numbers dwindled and the last one Roy retired in the early 90s at Letchworth Sidings.
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Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
I have just been looking at carriage working details for the mid-60s, and one item which intrigued me was a note on the 0810 (SO) Kings Cross to Skegness the consist of which includes an RMB immediately behind the engine.
The note says the RMB is attached at Kings Cross, and is diagram G25.
I cannot find G25, and wondered how this worked? Was the extra stock stored in a platform road during the day and shunted around as needed?
Kings Cross was quite a confined environment and I can't think of another efficient way of attaching a single carriage to a train in the station, unless it was propelled (highly unlikely, I assume) by the train engine up from Hornsey or thereabouts.
Can anyone remember this kind of shunting procedure?
The note says the RMB is attached at Kings Cross, and is diagram G25.
I cannot find G25, and wondered how this worked? Was the extra stock stored in a platform road during the day and shunted around as needed?
Kings Cross was quite a confined environment and I can't think of another efficient way of attaching a single carriage to a train in the station, unless it was propelled (highly unlikely, I assume) by the train engine up from Hornsey or thereabouts.
Can anyone remember this kind of shunting procedure?
John.
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Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
You can re-create this if you have the Trainz rail simulator software.
It has an ECML York to Kings Cross driving option, but also an editing function.
If you click to edit the ECML route, but then just save it under another name, you can then edit your named version and mess around adding stock and shunting them around without ever worrying that you might be ruining the main program.
I have managed to fill up the passenger loco area with 47s and 37s, plus a 105 Cravens dmu which seemed like a good idea at the time and now cant get rid of, but cant find a Deltic or two in the loco list.
It has an ECML York to Kings Cross driving option, but also an editing function.
If you click to edit the ECML route, but then just save it under another name, you can then edit your named version and mess around adding stock and shunting them around without ever worrying that you might be ruining the main program.
I have managed to fill up the passenger loco area with 47s and 37s, plus a 105 Cravens dmu which seemed like a good idea at the time and now cant get rid of, but cant find a Deltic or two in the loco list.
John.
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And my spotters' b&w photo site is at http://spottinglogs.blog
Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
What a great picture Deepol, fetches back loads of memories. Under the chimney on the brick building was the mess room before the SOP was opened, it reeked of diesel fuel, you could virtually chew it with your sandwiches. You came out of it stinking.
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Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
G'Day Gents
Good pic of KX, used to get like that quite often.
Re the extra coach, there was an odd stock job ( app 0300 ex Bounds Green ) to KX most mornings bringing, as it said 'odd stock' for strengthening trains at KX, we would often bring in a buffet, couple of 'GUV's' couple of opens, a brake second, even the odd Thompson, six wheeler! we would run into platforms 5 or 6 and No 1 shunt would put the train away into the 'Milk dock'/platform 17.
I don't think I've ever seen a class 37 in the passenger loco, but that's not to say it never happened, ( now watch the pictures flood in )
manna
Good pic of KX, used to get like that quite often.
Re the extra coach, there was an odd stock job ( app 0300 ex Bounds Green ) to KX most mornings bringing, as it said 'odd stock' for strengthening trains at KX, we would often bring in a buffet, couple of 'GUV's' couple of opens, a brake second, even the odd Thompson, six wheeler! we would run into platforms 5 or 6 and No 1 shunt would put the train away into the 'Milk dock'/platform 17.
I don't think I've ever seen a class 37 in the passenger loco, but that's not to say it never happened, ( now watch the pictures flood in )
manna
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Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
A 37 in the passenger loco would be a great rarity, but on the Trainz simulation I have it there in lieu of a 46 (it is more like a virtual railway layout really, except you get a cab view).
Mind you, when the Sheffield Pullman was EE3 hauled in the mid-60s, I presume the loco must have spent some time awaiting the return journey. Brush Falcon was rostered to that service as well, in earlier years, and I cant recall seeing a photo including her on passenger loco either.
This could be a project for Christmas - while the family watch endless repeats of The Snowman, search for photos with unusual locos at Kings Cross.
I do know there is one photo with a split headcode class 40 there, because I remember being rather shocked at seeing such a Lancashire biased creature that far south.
Edited - couldn't wait for the 25th, so here is the link to a split headcode 40 photo. This is even more unusual as it seems to be about to help a 31 with a Cleethorpes train.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24041160@N02/5470826924/
Mind you, when the Sheffield Pullman was EE3 hauled in the mid-60s, I presume the loco must have spent some time awaiting the return journey. Brush Falcon was rostered to that service as well, in earlier years, and I cant recall seeing a photo including her on passenger loco either.
This could be a project for Christmas - while the family watch endless repeats of The Snowman, search for photos with unusual locos at Kings Cross.
I do know there is one photo with a split headcode class 40 there, because I remember being rather shocked at seeing such a Lancashire biased creature that far south.
Edited - couldn't wait for the 25th, so here is the link to a split headcode 40 photo. This is even more unusual as it seems to be about to help a 31 with a Cleethorpes train.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24041160@N02/5470826924/
John.
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Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
Cor - she's ex-Works as well.
40143? Looks like it.
40143? Looks like it.
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And just a detour back to my Trainz computer simulation.
John.
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Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
strang steel, often used to get 37s in the pass loco in the mid 60s, Sheffield based locos on the Cleethorpes - Kings Cross diagrams. They where regular on them trains till the 47s came along.
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Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
Thanks Jeff, I thought there must have been - although I suppose they would be green liveried. I suppose as the Trainz line-up is all blue and set in the mid 1970s then the absence of 37s is prototypical.
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Re: Kings Coss Passenger Loco
G'Day Gents
Hi Micky, and a Merry Christmas to everyone
I can understand the blue jeans, the BR uniform trousers, were a killer, I think they were woven out of steel wool, the first time I ever wore them my 'groin/thighs were rubbed raw, took days for them to heal, in the end my mum had to sew soft cotton sheeting inside the crotch of the trousers, man they were terrible.
The other part of the uniform was the 'Pullover' ( with a short zip) I'm sure it was made out of the same material as the trousers and jacket, and you could never pull it over any other clothing, as it would stick!!, I got a tailoress, to cut the front and put a zip in (full length) so that I had a windcheater, that worked much better.
The extra long raincoats weren't a lot of cop either, kept the rain off of you, but drained all the water onto your trouser legs, so you always had wet feet, and were so long you couldn't climb up onto a loco, without stepping on your coat, so you wore them open, and got the rest of you wet
manna
Hi Micky, and a Merry Christmas to everyone
I can understand the blue jeans, the BR uniform trousers, were a killer, I think they were woven out of steel wool, the first time I ever wore them my 'groin/thighs were rubbed raw, took days for them to heal, in the end my mum had to sew soft cotton sheeting inside the crotch of the trousers, man they were terrible.
The other part of the uniform was the 'Pullover' ( with a short zip) I'm sure it was made out of the same material as the trousers and jacket, and you could never pull it over any other clothing, as it would stick!!, I got a tailoress, to cut the front and put a zip in (full length) so that I had a windcheater, that worked much better.
The extra long raincoats weren't a lot of cop either, kept the rain off of you, but drained all the water onto your trouser legs, so you always had wet feet, and were so long you couldn't climb up onto a loco, without stepping on your coat, so you wore them open, and got the rest of you wet
manna
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