LNER / BR toad D 20 ton brake van

[Belvoir]

Does any one know of an intact example of which I could take detail photographs ?

[hq1hitchin]

Does any one know of an intact example of which I could take detail photographs ?

Depends were you live - a mate of mine has one in his museum at Coleford, Glos. It isn't going anwhere and he'd be delighted to let you crawl all over it, the only trouble is that he is only open on Friday and Saturday afternoons at present.

http://colefordgwr.150m.com/

[Bill Bedford]

Does any one know of an intact example of which I could take detail photographs ?

There were a few differences between the diagrams which you need to be aware of first.
http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c603934.html
http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c601679.html
http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c593626.html
http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c601679.html
http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c595232.html

[Bryan]

I was under the impression that "Toad" referred only to the GWR brake with the large open veranda at one end.

[Belvoir]

hq1hitchin -

Thank you for the message - and the subsequent pm.
I wondered what an LNER / BR brake would be doing in the heart of GWR territory !!
Fortunately I had not initiated contact.

Bill Bedford -

I thought there might be a few variations !!
Isn't it funny how some questions beget yet more questions as answers.
Thank you for your response, now I am really unsure of my next move.

Bryan -

I knew the single-veranda GWR brakes were known as "Toad" - however -

LNER Wagons - An Illustrated Overview - Peter Tatlow - Pendragon 1998 - pp 165-9 inclusive

is, I suppose, as good a source as is available.

[Bill Bedford]

I was under the impression that "Toad" referred only to the GWR brake with the large open veranda at one end.

Toad was a RCH telegraphic code.

[hq1hitchin]

I was under the impression that "Toad" referred only to the GWR brake with the large open veranda at one end.

Toad was a RCH telegraphic code.

So it might have been but in railway operating terms, to railwaymen it denoted a Western brakevan, with a verandah at one end. Never heard anybody on the ER or LMR freight side ever refer to a BR standard 20 tonner (which was descended from the LNER van) as a Toad, by the time I got to the Southern and the Western it was too late anyway, brakevans have been virtually extinct for 25 years, proud now to say I rode a few of the b*ggers over the hump at Temple Mills with the retarders turned off - best to check the handbrake was 100% before you reached the point of no return, though As for names, some referred to them as a Queen Mary, not to be confused though with a Southern Queen Mary, which was the bogie version of their pillbox brakevan

[johnw]

An example can be found at Ruddington on the GCR (N). see attached
http://pics-by-john.photoblog.org.uk/p57418976.html

[Belvoir]

johnw -

Many thanks for your response - the images you linked have answered a couple of my queries, and I shall try to get to the GCR in the near future.

IMHO very fine photographs .

Best Wishes