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How many variations are there?

I've now got the Super-Detail 'Chinese' tender from A1 4475 'Flying Fox' which I think is a GNR pattern - non-corridor, sloping front plate with hand rails round the top and separate removable coal load, non-motorised.
Then there's the one from A3 2505 'Cameronian' (R2013) - non-corridor, hand rails round top, vertical front plate, moulded coal load, motorised 'Made in Great Britain' - is this a non-protoypical hybrid?
Then there's one from the Super-Detailed A3 variant of 'Flying Scotsman' (R2261) which has a corridor tender, which I assume is based on the 1928 version?

Have they ever made a streamlined non-corridor tender for the A1/3/4? Are there any other variations I'm missing?

Here's a list of some, though not all of the latest Hornby A1s, A3s and A4s - fine-detailed Chinese versions:

R2338 A4 Sir Charles Newton - streamlined non-corridor - black
R2339 A4 Mallard - streamlined non-corridor - garter blue
R2340 A4 Golden Plover - streamlined corridor - GWR green
R2341 A3 Windsor Lad - new type non-corridor with beading - GWR green
R2342 A3 The White Knight - new type non-corridor with beading - GWR green
ex-R2373M A4 Silver Fox - streamlined corridor/bowed end - silver
R2405 A1 Great Northern - GN tender - apple green
ex-R2435 A4 Andrew K McCosh - streamlined corridor - GWR green
R2441 A3 Flying Scotsman - streamlined corridor - apple green A4-style as preserved
ex-R2445 A4 Quicksilver - streamlined corridor/bowed end - silver
R2494 A4 Guillemot - streamlined non-corridor - GWR green
R2536 A3 St Gatien - GN tender - GWR green
R2549 A1 Flying Fox - GN tender - apple green
ex-R2569 A3 Sandwich - new type non-corridor with beading - GWR green
ex-R2598M A1 Gladiateur - GN tender - apple green
R2615 A4 Wild Swan - streamlined non-corridor - GWR green
R2617 A3 Ladas - new type non-corridor with beading - GWR green
R2684 A4 Mallard - streamlined non-corridor - garter blue
R2687 A3 Flying Scotsman - streamlined corridor - apple green A4-style as preserved
R2688 A4 Sir Nigel Gresley - streamlined corridor - garter blue
R2720 A3 Galtee More - GN tender - GWR green
R2768 A4 Merlin - streamlined corridor/bowed end - experimental dark blue
ex-R2794M A4 Falcon - streamlined corridor - GWR green
R2805 A4 Herring Gull - streamlined non-corridor - garter blue
ex-R2888M Kingfisher - streamlined corridor - garter blue
R2896XS A4 Sir Ronald Matthews - streamlined non-corridor - GWR green
ex-R2906 Kingfisher - streamlined corridor - BR blue
ex-R2953 A3 Flying Scotsman - streamlined corridor - apple green A4-style as preserved
R2965 A4 Silver Link - streamlined corridor/bowed end - silver
R2966 A3 Brown Jack - GN tender - GWR green
R2991XS Sparrowhawk - streamlined non-corridor - BR blue
R3008 A4 Empire of India - streamlined corridor - GWR green
R3012 A4 Merlin - streamlined corridor - GWR green
R3013 A3 Coronach - GN tender - GWR green
R3073 A1 Royal Lancer - streamlined corridor - apple green A4-style
R3099 A3 Flying Scotsman - streamlined corridor - apple green A4-style as preserved
R3100 A3 Flying Scotsman - streamlined corridor - black A4-style as preserved
R3103 A4 Bittern - streamlined corridor - GWR green

Please see Mick b's thread for his conversion of the streamlined apple green corridor tender to A1 condition.

I have not attempted to list the older tooling versions!

Pre war modellers are missing a proper 1928 corridor tender, the new type non-corridor in apple green, and the streamlined non-corridor in apple green.

If you go to the thread Hornby Pacifics 2012 you will find piccies of my conversion of a 1928 Corridor tender as running behind Flying Scotsman as preserved (A4 condition) retrofitted to its original design.

The older Hornby non corridor and GNR type tenders were not accurate as they had to be the same width as the corridor one to fit over the tender drive unit.

As St J hints, despite the fact that Hornby now offer a largely correct representation of each of the four possible LNER main types (i.e. corridor or not, each either streamlined or with beading) PLUS the GN eight wheeler with coal rails, this still doesn't cover correctly all of the prototype variations. The addition of full fairing to the tenders built for or appropriated for use behind the A4s, followed by reductions to that fairing for reasons of safety and practicality, the addition of stainless strips to selected streamliners, the changes to the front bulkhead on GN tenders, and post-war messing around with front plate heights on tenders allocated to some locos means there are many variations to consider. I also suspect that Hornby have paid too much attention to the shape of the curved copings at the tops of the sides on surviving repaired / "restored" tenders, and too little to original period photos. There should be a definite ripple in the shape of the copings just behind the rear coal plate on those tenders that were at some time given fairings, and there should not be "flattened sloping shoulders" to the curved top of the rear of the tender.

Yes, as Atlantic points out, there are so many variations that one really needs to study photos of the particular loco you desire to model at a particular date. For reasons of economy Hornby have naturally had to restrict the variations, but even there I have noted changes and I wonder how many variations Hornby have actually attempted for the China L/D S/D models taking liveries as a secondary matter.


Looking at my own BR liveried A3s the following can be ascertained.

60035 Non Corridor - Low rear.

60039 Non Corridor - High rear

60049 GN - Straight frontplate

60052 GNR - Sloping frontplate

60067 Non Corridor - High rear

60073 GNR - Straight frontplate

60077 Non Corridor - Low rear.

There are two versions of the Non Corridor tender, one with a deeper top to the rear which has greater curvature. I will take some pics tomorrow and post as I suspect some folks may not have noticed this detail.

Here is the nitty gritty. Left to Right. 1930 Non Corridor high back, 1930 Non Corridor low back, Streamlined Non Corridor. Same as above but the other way round.

Now the GN type. As modified and original. Note the added footsteps on the modified version with vertical front plate.

Hi All

Quick query, how do you tell the difference between the Hornby 1928 and the Hornby 1935 corridoer tenders please?

Ian

Later are streamlined for use on the A4.

Left to right.
1928 Corridor Tender as running behind A1/A3 up to 1935 (modified Hornby)
1935 Corridor Tender - note curved rear and no beading.
1928 Corridor Tender as modelled by Hornby for 4472 (in post 1935 state to run behind A4s).

I have noticed that two of my corridor tenders in LNER livery which came from Flying Scotsman China made Loco drive locos have the wrong underframe (for GNR tender) whereas the correct underframe should have the rear steps extending beyond the side frames.

I have corrected one and fitted spoked wheels which are correct for attachment to A1/A3 pre 1935 but will need more bits from EKM to sort the other.

I wonder how many more locos are wrong in this respect?

I'm pulling this thread out of the archive again to draw attention to the tender differences when it comes to correcting details on RTR Hornby Gresley Pacifics or renaming/renumbering them. So those desirous of doing something with a cheap 4476 from Rails take note!

Just to reopen this thread temporarily.
Many thanks to Saint Johnstoun for illustrating some of the tender variations.
If memory serves eight LNER 8 wheel tenders have survived, of which 5 are of the corridor variety, those attached to: 4472, 4488, 4489, 4498 plus BITTERN's water carrier. Going by photographs, it appears the first four are of the 1928 corridor design with beading, however I'm unsure about the latter as it no longer carries it's original tank.
That leaves us with the two streamlined non corridor tenders attached to 4468 and 4496. The odd man out being the tender currently attached to 4464 which was converted from non corridor to corridor form during her last overhaul.
Am I therefore correct in assuming that none of the 1935 streamlined corridor tenders have survived into preservation?

Don't forget, that the tender attached to 4488 (60009) is ex-10000 (60700), and would potentially pre-date the others by quite a while, unless it was built about the same time in a batch of them?

Would any of our resident experts care to confirm this?