The LNER Encyclopedia

Reading through one of Geoff Kent's books on wagons, I was struck by the similarity between GE and GWR outside framed vans.

David Geen does a kit for the GWR vehicle (ref. W001). I don't have any dimensions for it - can anyone say how close it is to the GE version? On comparing his website photo to the drawing in the new Tatlow it looks pretty close.

The GE one is 9' wheelbase, 16' 1" over headstocks, 8' 2" extreme width, 11' 0 3/4" high.

GW vehicle here http://www.davidgeen.co.uk/catalogue/Im ... 01-Dg7.jpg

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Dimensions of GWR van (taken from History of GWR Goods Wagons, Atkins, Beard, et al)
WB 9-0 , Length over body corner posts 15-6, Width over corner posts 7-5, Overall Height (rail to top of roof) 10-6, Buffer length (Headstock to Head) 1-6. Notes indicate 'bulb-section' iron solebars on early lots but channel on later lots. Also note that 'some' had the body diagonals reversed (i.e. slanting opposite way to the GER diagram 15, 10 ton van ).
I believe some of the earliest GER vans were shorter than 16-1 over headstocks (I am speaking from memory and would have to sort through my GER Society back issues to check precise details).
John Candy.

Can now confirm earliest batch of GER vans of this design (built 1888) was 15ft over headstocks and slightly lower in overall height (looking at a photo of the two types coupled together, the side appears to be one-plank lower than the adjacent dia 15 van). The shorter van is non-ventilated (slate grey all over and numbered 6318), the adjacent van is a ventilated dia 15 van (light grey sides and slate grey ends, number 20784).
The 'Railway Modeller' Feb. 1976 has a very detailed and fully-dimensioned drawing in 7mm/4mm/3mm scales of a ventilated (and vacuum fitted) diagram 15 van drawn by Ken Werrett in 1917.

John Candy.

Very comprehensive and just what I was looking for, thank you. That puts the GW one either 2mm too long or too short for the GE equivalent, irrespective of the height difference.