Great British Locomotives Magazine

[mick b]

That's really nice work Mick. It seems pre-war they may have painted the upper band black, post-war for my period (1947-49) it is definitely blue. Have confirmed this on SNG and six other locos thus far.

The silver strip is very nicely done too.

What are your sources re the A4 livery post war ?

[S.A.C. Martin]

That's really nice work Mick. It seems pre-war they may have painted the upper band black, post-war for my period (1947-49) it is definitely blue. Have confirmed this on SNG and six other locos thus far.

The silver strip is very nicely done too.

What are your sources re the A4 livery post war ?

Colour Rail, a few publications and some photographs in my own private collection. There's a well known shot of SNG as 60007 in garter blue which clearly shows the upper section above the beading of the tender is blue. Same for Mallard as e22 and Seagull as 60033.

Sir Nigel Gresley, garter blue as 60007 with single chimney

Image is from colour rail and clearly shows the blue.

[mick b]

I agree re the bottom sides of the top are Blue . However that is a non corridor version and they were Blue . The top section appears to be Black and matches the Roof as normal LNER practice.

I have just looked at Colour Rail and there is a clear pictures of Seagull and Whigham with Corridor Tenders with a Black top as per normal

this is the search I made

http://www.colourrail.com/Category1.aspx

[S.A.C. Martin]

I agree re the bottom sides of the top are Blue . However that is a non corridor version and they were Blue . The top section appears to be Black and matches the Roof as normal LNER practice.

I have a blown up version of that picture and no, it's not a non corridor tender. It's a 1928 corridor tender with beading. The blue is very clear in Locomotives Illustrated no.38 where I have access to the larger image.

I have just looked at Colour Rail and there is a clear pictures of Seagull and Whigham with Corridor Tenders with a Black top as per normal

I have several pictures of Seagull as 60033 where I would beg to differ. Whigham on the other hand I am interested in and will look up.

[S.A.C. Martin]

Just checked Colour Rail again. The years I have looked up are 1945-50 for the class A4. There are several colour shots including one of Empire of India - I have that shot elsewhere in a larger print and again, it's a 1928 tender and the top band is blue.

The only colour one of Whigham I found on that website is the experimental purple colour shot.

Seagull's colour one is reproduced in Mallard and the A4 Class, and along with some black & white shots in that edition, also confirms it, Lord Faringdon and Mallard have the upper band as blue.

[mick b]

Interesting

From Yeadon all B&W photos there are very few therin of post war LNER Garter Blue photos. The only clear ones I could find are:-

Falcon post 1946 Black Top

India Black LNER and another which looks like a black band halfway between beading and top edge in BR livery

Mallard Black 1948 with a Corridor Tender

When I say Black a darker shade than main body of Loco matching Roof colour/shade.

[S.A.C. Martin]

Quite a few of those it's clear in the larger prints I have that it's soot, with blue paint underneath. The colour shots of Sir Nigel Gresley and Seagull confirm blue beyond reasonable doubt. I suspect post-war the 1928 tenders were painted all over blue so they matched the other two types effectively.

I do agree Mick that pre-war all of the 1928 tenders were painted black above the beading.

There is however another spanner to throw into the works - page 42 of Mallard and the A4 class shows William Whitelaw with a 1928 corridor tender, with only the rear valances cut away. Above the beading the tender body is clearly blue. In the shot below that one, Sea Eagle has a 1928 type corridor tender too and that tender has its tender painted black above the beading, in the same month as William Whitelaw - July 1941! So it is not a consistent rule for painting, clearly.

On pages 52 and 53 Lord Faringdon and Mallard are shown to have all over blue tenders as well for the loco exchanges. Other shots when the locomotives are dirty show the upper portion above the beading very very dark - this is due to soot.

[Kestrel]

Does anyone know what today's locomotive is?

[2002EarlMarischal]

Does anyone know what today's locomotive is?

A very poor Evening Star! Mine will be on eBay this weekend!

[60800]

Does anyone know what today's locomotive is?

A very poor Evening Star! Mine will be on eBay this weekend!

A quick bash into 92214 perhaps?

[Kestrel]

Does anyone know what today's locomotive is?

A very poor Evening Star! Mine will be on eBay this weekend!

A quick bash into 92214 perhaps?

Why did you buy it if you think it is that bad? I eventually saw one and the wheels were terrible, too thick and the paint on them was all chipped. Not being a 9F specialist, the rest looked acceptable.

[2002EarlMarischal]

Why did you buy it if you think it is that bad? I eventually saw one and the wheels were terrible, too thick and the paint on them was all chipped. Not being a 9F specialist, the rest looked acceptable.

Having spoken to the manager, I have each issue reserved for me at the local Asda on the basis that they will then keep at least one, otherwise they may not stock it at all.

As I quite like the magazine and it is only every 2 weeks, then it is not the end of the world if I chose to sell the models I don't want and recover a bit of the cost on eBay.

Is that a satisfactory explanation?

[Atlantic 3279]

Sounds good to me!

The detailed analysis and criticism of these models (here and on the BIG website) is of course technically valid but are they being measured against a fair standard? For what they are presumably meant to be, a very inexpensive static display model for the less discerning, or even a toy for older children, cheaper in some cases than buying a plastic kit, representing more locos than are covered by plastic kits, and finished "all in with the price" to a higher standard than many would manage if building a plastic kit, are they not in fact quite an achievement?

[2002EarlMarischal]

I see the next issue after the Deltic is the Stanier Black Five due on 28 May 2014.

[Postman Prat]

When the Black 5 comes along I could be interested in relieving someone of it. My local newsagent has given up on this publication.

Thanks in advance