My models (some LNER)

[Manxman1831]

Today's update - spent what seemed like 8 hours on the coach yesterday. Bogie problem sorted out; second solebar fitted; sides and ends fitted along with internal bulkhead for strengthening. Enjoy the pictures. Any comments welcome.

[jwealleans]

What did you do to the bogies to sort them, Brian? I meant to comment yesterday that when I built the MJT ones I'm working on I made the holes in the back of the cosmetic overlay oversize so I could drop them slightly and increase clearance under the solebar.

[Manxman1831]

Not a problem - the bogie castings were drilled out to match the brass framework dimensions (not as simple as it sounds, started with 1mm drill bit and worked up to my biggest which also matched the bearing size) and push-fitted the castings over the top. This in turn showed up just how bad I'd actually drilled the casting on one side of the non-compensated bogie, so it ran tight - waited for the superglue to set overnight and, using a screwdriver between wheel and bearing, prized the sides enough to give a free spin of the wheelset (a case of using the solid casting to hold the 'tweaked' shape and apply more glue as required. Not pretty, not technical, but it has so far worked.

The issue of the ride height was resolved using my old 'favourite' leftover watercolour paper - a strip applied to the underside to save the wheels shorting, with a smaller piece in place to 'lift' the bolster to allow the compensation to work on both bogies - this has yet to be tested for real, but it rolls nicely along my build 'plinth'. Also, has raised the body to the correct height when measuring the height to buffers (standard 3'6" or 14mm in 00, in case you were wondering about such things).

Qucik question for those in the know - the part labelled as 23 'horizontal profile support', does this stay inside the model to support the side bulges after construction, or does it come out with the vertical profile (24)?

[Manxman1831]

I've made a little more progress tonight, and I hope that the shape is more recognisable for what it should be. The reverse curves on the bulge are formed by bending the side uniformly around a OHP pen one way, then the other. The bend at the end was formed around the same pen, but then eased back - I may have eased it too much, but it is done now. The thin brass on this section is rather unforgiving, and I don't want to have to redo it.

[MikeTrice]

Without wishing to demoralise you but the bogies are incorrect that you have fitted. Yours are the heavy duty whereas the original had standard bogies. Other than that you are making a really neat job of the build. Mine is still in its box.

[Manxman1831]

I'm just building it as it comes out of the box. I'll try to incorporate little tweaks to be more accurate to the original, though if that is as it is now in Leeman Road, or as it was in 1938 for the record run, I haven't decided yet.

In other news - did the other side bulge today. Note to self - if it goes right first time, try not to change the method for the second time. I tried matching the horizontal curvature to the profile, it still overlapped the sidesheet, but not as much. Trouble is, having done it that way, I have found that the casting for the threeway curvature that slots into the gap left at the bottom no longer matched to the same extent as the previous side - cue much filling of gaps. D'oh! Pictures later after glue has set.

[earlswood nob]

Good morning all
Please excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between Heavy Duty Bogies and normal bogies?
I am given to understand that some coaches like restaurant cars had heavy duty bogies.

Earlswood nob

[jwealleans]

As far as I know the easiest way to tell them apart is by the rivets above the axleboxes. This is a standard bogie, this is a heavy duty one. Note the two rows of rivets on the second image.

As far as I know they were used on restaurant cars and articulated sets, but Mike undoubtedly knows a great deal more than I do. I'm surprised at Dan getting them wrong in the Dynamometer kit, or did it change to HD bogies at some time?

[Manxman1831]

I honestly could not tell the difference at first glance between those two pictures, but did take to counting rivets (groan). The lighter bogie picture shows five rivets above each axlebox, while the heavier one shows only three. A casual observer is not going to notice that on a train running at fifty-seventy on a layout, so I'm more than happy to carry on.

[earlswood nob]

Morning all
Thanks JW for the info. It looks like I shall have to get HD bogies for some of my Kirk kits. You've always posted that Kirk Kits run better with cast bogies, so I will have to try them out.
Since getting hooked on this forum, I have been trying to be more accurate with my modelling.
Bang goes the exchequer again this month.
Earlswood nob

[jwealleans]

EN, I've become a fan of the MJT bogies and their presstud attachment since first using them. I used to use the ABS ones, but the MJT are almost as heavy, easier to build (fold up etch) and easy to swap. That has become important since we're mixing stock on Grantham: I have acquired some Bachmann bogies as spares and fitted a presstud and can now swap in a tension lock or Kadee coupler in seconds if we need it to couple up between my stock and 3279 or 4479s.

On a Kirk kit you just need to hack off the lump for the bogie pivot and stick a block of plastikard for the etched bolster to glue to.

If you've gone the whole hog and added cast battery boxes, dynamo and trussing then you've got ballast down where you need it so the slightly lighter bogies won't make any odds.

[MikeTrice]

Yes counting the rivets is pretty reliable. In practice the bogie sideframe was deeper than the standard.

This might help:

[MikeTrice]

I'm surprised at Dan getting them wrong in the Dynamometer kit, or did it change to HD bogies at some time?

If it is any consolation, my kit also has HD bogies supplied and no I cannot find any evidence it ever had them fitted.

[Manxman1831]

The deeper frames seem to hide the coiled springs better, too. I might put them on to try and hide the depth, along with the running boards at the loco end of the coach.

[Manxman1831]

First test run today behind 2558. A little stiff, but doesn't impede the performance of the Hornby mechanism too much. Now to get it finished and ready for a photo shoot with 4468 and 2003.