Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

This forum is for the discussion of railway modelling of the LNER and its constituent companies.

Moderators: 52D, Tom F, Rlangham, Atlantic 3279, Blink Bonny, Saint Johnstoun, richard

mick b
LNER A4 4-6-2 'Streak'
Posts: 3772
Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 4:43 pm

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by mick b »

strang steel wrote:I have just had this list of O2 variants emailed to me by Hattons:-


3900 Class 02/2 Tango 2-8-0 in LNER livery
3901 Class 02/2 Tango 2-8-0 in LNER livery
3902 Class 02/2 Tango 2-8-0 in BR black with early crest
3903 Class 02/2 Tango 2-8-0 in BR black with late crest
3904 Class 02/2 Tango 2-8-0 in BR black with early emblem - weathered £156
3910 Class 02/3 Tango 2-8-0 3965 in LNER black
3911 Class 02/3 Tango 2-8-0 63954 in early British Railways black
3912 Class 02/3 Tango 2-8-0 63948 in BR black with late crest
3913 Class 02/3 Tango 2-8-0 63952 in BR black with late crest
3920 Class 02/4 Tango 2-8-0 3962 in LNER black
3921 Class 02/4 Tango 2-8-0 63983 in BR black with early crest
3922 Class 02/4 Tango 2-8-0 63975 in BR black with late crest
3923 Class 02/4 Tango 2-8-0 63982 in BR black with late crest

At least four of each variant?

I am going to need to re-mortgage my house :shock:

All are listed as being for delivery in early 2015.


2015 ??????????????????
User avatar
Tom F
LNER A3 4-6-2
Posts: 1270
Joined: Wed May 27, 2009 6:23 pm
Location: North of the Don.....South of the Tees
Contact:

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by Tom F »

mick b wrote:
strang steel wrote:I have just had this list of O2 variants emailed to me by Hattons:-


3900 Class 02/2 Tango 2-8-0 in LNER livery
3901 Class 02/2 Tango 2-8-0 in LNER livery
3902 Class 02/2 Tango 2-8-0 in BR black with early crest
3903 Class 02/2 Tango 2-8-0 in BR black with late crest
3904 Class 02/2 Tango 2-8-0 in BR black with early emblem - weathered £156
3910 Class 02/3 Tango 2-8-0 3965 in LNER black
3911 Class 02/3 Tango 2-8-0 63954 in early British Railways black
3912 Class 02/3 Tango 2-8-0 63948 in BR black with late crest
3913 Class 02/3 Tango 2-8-0 63952 in BR black with late crest
3920 Class 02/4 Tango 2-8-0 3962 in LNER black
3921 Class 02/4 Tango 2-8-0 63983 in BR black with early crest
3922 Class 02/4 Tango 2-8-0 63975 in BR black with late crest
3923 Class 02/4 Tango 2-8-0 63982 in BR black with late crest

At least four of each variant?

I am going to need to re-mortgage my house :shock:

All are listed as being for delivery in early 2015.


2015 ??????????????????
Sounds about right Mick, the Garret hasn't appeared yet!
Tom Foster
Modelling the North Eastern Area of the LNER - 1935-1939
User avatar
strang steel
LNER A4 4-6-2 'Streak'
Posts: 2363
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 3:54 pm
Location: From 40F to near 82A via 88C

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by strang steel »

I think Heljan are being sensible and realistic with their timescale for delivery.

We have seen numerous models from various manufacturers announced with delivery dates, only for those to slip back and back as they encounter production problems of one sort or another. I am quite happy to wait, especially since it is now half a century since I saw my last real one; and another 15 months or so does not seem too long on that timescale.

It will give me time to prepare my credit card for the pounding it may have to take.
John.

My spotting log website is at https://spottinglogs.co.uk/spotting-rec ... s-70s-80s/

And my spotters' b&w photo site is at http://spottinglogs.blog
mick b
LNER A4 4-6-2 'Streak'
Posts: 3772
Joined: Tue May 30, 2006 4:43 pm

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by mick b »

Thanks thought I had read next year on a previous report :D
Brush53Falcon
LNER Thompson L1 2-6-4T
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:32 pm

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by Brush53Falcon »

Atlantic 3279 wrote:Is this latest Hattons claim that an O2/2 will be part of the first wave of models any more reliable than their previous erroneous announcement? I understood that the official policy at Heljan was that the GN style cab, GN tender, lower running plate and short-travel valve gear would have to wait to make an appearance.
If I may be allowed to clarify the situation, then hopefully it will answer your queries and
expectations. This is also a progress update to tell you where the project is a year on from announcement.

The first two models announced are 3910-3914 O2/3 and 3920-3924 O2/4, which will feature the high running plate version of the O2 Tango, no’s.63947-63987. The O2/3 will be fitted with the Group Standard stepped sided tender and the O2/4 with the Group Standard flush sided tender. These will be limited editions and if sales predict then two further versions of each will appear but with a mix and match of tenders. The CAD/CAM for these two versions has now been submitted for provisional tooling and there will be no more news until the first samples/mouldings start to appear in approx six months time.

Specification includes pick-ups on both loco and tender, a speaker chamber fitted to the tender for DCC sound options. The tender will feature a plug-in wiring connection and there will be an adjustable drawbar. The DCC socket will be mounted in the boiler. An accessory pack will be included with add on fitments of AWS battery box, vacuum tank, AWS shoe, coupling baffle plate, tender vacuum tank and with an information sheet showing where these items should be fitted. In some cases these will plug in to pre-drilled ‘blind’ holes

Unfortunately as previously explained, Hatton’s were a little premature with their announcement of the O2/2 as this will not be produced until the first two versions O2/3 & O2/4 have been released.
However the good news is that most of the CAD/CAM for the variations has been drawn to enable the process of fitment to take place between the various components of cab, boiler, running plate, smoke box etc. This has involved a great deal of planning and research into which versions can authentically be produced using the components to hand. There were several detail differences which on some locomotives were likely to compromise another version so in order to achieve this there had to be an element of standardisation in order to keep costs to sensible proportions. The result is in actual fact mostly un-noticeable and involves detail which was added or deleted during the life cycle of the locomotive during the era it is depicted. The O2/1 and O2/4 rebuild with low running plate will also be produced as it shares many of the components that by then will have already been tooled. The GN ‘B’ type tender is included in this although there will only be the one generic version produced as there were many detail changes that preclude the production variations on cost grounds. Also included will be the accessory pack as with the other versions and this will additionally include tablet catcher apparatus. There may be a possibility of the tenders being available separately or as spares……………again this depends on cost and packaging. This is something that has been requested on this forum so this has been forwarded on.

As you can imagine this has been a huge project to undertake and I couldn’t have really undertaken this without the help and encouragement from Tony Wright, whose ability to explain the workings and reasons for detail has helped my understanding of the workings of a steam locomotive to new limits. My grammar hopefully has also improved as a result! I must also publicly thank Roy Jackson whose former High Dyke layout gave me the impetus to embark on this project. He has also been quite welcoming in allowing visits to ‘Retford’ to see and photograph his Tango’s in action. For those of you visiting the Warley show next week there should be some CAD images on display on the Heljan stand. For those of you not able to visit Warley then I will try and put some images on this forum in the next few days. I would like to also express my gratitude to all contributors to this forum who have constructively commented and encouraged the ongoing development of this project. To me, a diesel modeller, it has been very educational and I feel privileged to have been inspirational in bringing yet another LNER prototype to the model scene.
The hard work now begins!
User avatar
strang steel
LNER A4 4-6-2 'Streak'
Posts: 2363
Joined: Tue May 18, 2010 3:54 pm
Location: From 40F to near 82A via 88C

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by strang steel »

Wow, thanks very much for the update Brush53.

Thanks especially for all the detail stuff, and it is great to know that manufacturers are taking so much trouble in order to deal with detail differences, not just between sub-classes but within the sub-classes themselves.

This is great news, and let us hope that the sales of the first batch of O2/3 and O2/4 are strong enough to allow another batch to be produced (I am doing my bit, as I have already pre-ordered three).

I really do want this to be a success, because Heljan deserve that for their bravery in taking the plunge into a loco class which not only was relatively small in numbers, but also had quite a restricted working area.

If the O2s are a success, then maybe others will take the plunge with some more local ER classes?
John.

My spotting log website is at https://spottinglogs.co.uk/spotting-rec ... s-70s-80s/

And my spotters' b&w photo site is at http://spottinglogs.blog
auldreekie
GER D14 4-4-0 'Claud Hamilton'
Posts: 330
Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:42 pm

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by auldreekie »

[quote="strang steel"]Wow, thanks very much for the update Brush53.

This is great news, ...Heljan deserve that for their bravery in taking the plunge into a loco class which not only was relatively small in numbers, but also had quite a restricted working area.



And for the openly-consultative way in which they have gone about it. It really IS good to see a forum of this kind playing a part in this kind of a development.


auldreekie
User avatar
2002EarlMarischal
LNER A3 4-6-2
Posts: 1402
Joined: Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:18 pm
Location: Burbage

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by 2002EarlMarischal »

May I add my thanks regarding the provision of information and the hard work.

I am sure that Heljan will not be disappointed with the volume of business achieved by adding these models to their range.
User avatar
manna
LNER A4 4-6-2 'Streak'
Posts: 3860
Joined: Sun May 24, 2009 12:56 am
Location: All over Australia

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by manna »

G'Day Gents

Thank you for the update, I am looking forward to this engine appearing, the first GN type loco in RTR for many years. :D

manna
EDGWARE GN, Steam in the Suburbs.
Horsetan
LNER P2 2-8-2
Posts: 972
Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:46 pm

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by Horsetan »

mick b wrote:
strang steel wrote:......All are listed as being for delivery in early 2015.
2015 ??????????????????
2016, if you're really lucky :mrgreen:
Brush53Falcon
LNER Thompson L1 2-6-4T
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:32 pm

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by Brush53Falcon »

Horsetan wrote:
mick b wrote:
strang steel wrote:......All are listed as being for delivery in early 2015.
2015 ??????????????????
2016, if you're really lucky :mrgreen:
I'd like to stay on the optimistic side and say 2015 for both, that is how we've tried to plan it. As I have explained if we can get the first two versions out by early 2015 and a couple of months down the line later we could have the other versions in production as all the CAD/tooling will have been completed. Once we have seen the first prototype samples in six months time and they have been approved we want to crack on and get the other versions ready for production. Of course all of this depends on the success of the initial releases so this is what we have to focus on right now.

This is like a rolling programme as many parts are dependant on each other and the only way to keep costs down is to mass produce certain components at the same time.

Anyway by the time this all happens I will no doubt be working on another project! At least I will be retired from my day job by then......can't wait, only 19 months to go............not that I'm counting of course!!
Sea Eagle
LNER N2 0-6-2T
Posts: 65
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:05 pm

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by Sea Eagle »

I'd also like to add my thanks to Heljan for producing these locos. I'm sure they'll be a success!

Good to see that the LNER liveried O2/3 and O2/4 have post war numbers. I've pre-ordered three including the early BRITISH RAILWAYS one.
Hopefully one of the LNER liveried O2/2s will also have a post war number.

I'm happy to wait until 2015 - at least that'll give plenty of time to save up for them. :wink:
User avatar
Kestrel
NER C7 4-4-2
Posts: 897
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:13 am

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by Kestrel »

Hattons are charging £148 for these.
Brush53Falcon
LNER Thompson L1 2-6-4T
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:32 pm

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by Brush53Falcon »

I have just returned from helping to set up stand at the NEC Warley Show, and Heljan have some CAD illustrations pinned up on their stand. However I feel that they don't do their model full justice so I attach here four CAD images of the O2/3, now being tooled, as promised for those of you not able to get to the NEC. As I am only allowed to post four at a time I will have to submit these in batches. You will notice on this first batch of four that it shows different smoke box doors for LNER or BR versions as well as differing sandbox fillers.
Attachments
11039001_CLASS_02-3_TANGO_3910 LNER 3rd CAD mendments LH side.jpg
11039001_CLASS_02-3_TANGO_3910 LNER 3rd CAD mendments LH side-2.jpg
11039001_CLASS_02-3_TANGO_3910 LNER 3rd CAD mendments LHR side.jpg
11039001_CLASS_02-3_TANGO_3910 LNER 3rd CAD mendments RH side.jpg
Brush53Falcon
LNER Thompson L1 2-6-4T
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:32 pm

Re: Heljan Gresley O2 2-8-0 'Tango'

Post by Brush53Falcon »

Herewith two further images of the CAD/CAM work for the O2/3
Attachments
11039001_CLASS_02-3_TANGO_3910 LNER 3rd CAD mendments RHR side.jpg
11039001_CLASS_02-3_TANGO_3912 BR late  3rd CAD amendments RH side.jpg
Post Reply