I forwarded on Dave's drawings of an LNER A type container to D24 on to Sascha Freudenberg at the weekend and he sent a new .stl file through this evening. Its not a D24 as it has a vertical swivelling door catach as opposed to the diagonal U channel used on D24s. I suspect its a D39 but the label board may have been in the top right on D39s. Has anyone any photos of these? Given the D35 shown in LNER Wagons Vol 4b has planks so tightly fitted it looks like ply, then this could certainly pass for a D35. Either way its another A type container and this design was used, with the details modelled as is, by the LMS - 300 built by them 1936-7. I am sure some LMS versions traversed LNER metals. I intend to print one tomorrow evening and will post pics. In the meantime I have attached a view of the .stl as viewed in Meshmixer.
Christmas may be behind us but Sascha is the gift that keeps giving. Reead through my slightly edited response to his chat last night where he announced his plans for an LNER BC, LMS and LNER D types, including the steel LMS version of the D, and another LMS steel A type. He is also doing another couple of LMS meat containers in addition to the 4 he has kindly done already but not yet published.
Hi Sascha,
A D container would be very welcome too. There is a 4mm kit by Parkside of the DX container used by the LMS and LNER. The stretchers across the open top are very thin and usually break when fitting them. Your H containers as you say were used everywhere and you did great little loads and an open version too. I think they probably had a lid most the time but that’s just a quick bit of work with plasticard. I cannot see a drawing of it but presume it was probably the same as the floor.
The LNER guys would love a BC container and they shipped bikes everywhere so it can run on all companies’ tracks! [The masochist in him is planning a version with open doors to show the racks with bikes loaded] However, why stop at the BC? The later Bs and most of the BDs used the same internal dimensions the BC being 4-5 inches wider – barely noticeable in modelling terms. So the plywood BC body to D22, 29 of which were built, will effectively give you:
B37 – 40 built 1944 – no side doors either
BK, B31 and B36, 830 built from 1935 on in to the ‘40s.
Add in side doors
BD29 – 300 built 1937-9
BD40 – 308 built 1944-46
Annoyingly the LNER volume only gives internal dimensions, but they are always within an inch of each other bar the extra width of the BC. Most of the LNER B types appear to be plywood, but the book says some were of planked construction and in the one case (admittedly a D35 A type) it says it is planked in the photo but to my eye, apart from the drop door on the end, it is plywood or the planks are incredibly well fitted together. The LMS had a lot of horizontally planked versions after the initial ply batch of 1936, and they reverted to ply in the mid 40s.
And if you were really keen, the later LNER FM 25 containers had the same body design but to slightly shorter and higher dimensions, if it an be adjusted during drawing after strapping is added??
Just beware of the different LNER end door catches as time went on. Initially it was a diagonal bar across the door and then later it was the normal vertical swiveling bar as on the side doors of the BD. Also if you model BDs the side door hinges varied. Earlier ones were small before moving to a larger type similar to what the LMS used on their BDs throughout.
Of course it would also be useful as an LMS plywood container too. The LMS BDs are all 16’0” x 7’0” x 7’5” externally but with variations on the internal dimensions so that’s probably what the LNER ones wee too. Maybe Dave has detailed drawings of them?
I am running off an other half dozen as I type of your H type containers. I’m doing them at 0.05mm and its taking about 15 hours to print 6 at one go. Your transfers to letter these up would be greatly appreciated if you have the time. I am going to stick up pics of them on the LNER info thread.
As for the LMS A type to Lot 762/818 that would be superb. There is an incredible amount of variety in A type containers alone, maybe not surprising given they were the first designs built and different materials and ideal sizes were being experimented with before they settled on 7’0” x 7’6” x 7’11” in 1936.
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The LNER drawings that Dave sent through are identical except the height is 7’8” and the door catch is the diagonal bar arrangement.
Speaking of later A types, your earlier design to LMS lots 1460/1528 is still great, especially considering you designed it without having the benefit of drawings at the time. I may have asked you this before, but can you modify this to a plywood version easily or is it a complete redraw? I would imagine you can do plywood, save it, then add planks and do a second save. However can you take away plank lines from something you have saved? I have been thinking about running off a couple of prints and using filler to make the plywood versions. I also noticed this evening that the earlier versions had the large label board at the bottom left had side rather than the top. I wonder why they moved it? I would have thought it was easier to apply labels in that position when the container was loaded on top of a wagon, otherwise a ladder is required from ground height. Possibly the thinking was it was too low for advertising purposes and most of the ‘audience’ would see it passing through station and they were standing up so the ‘advert’ would be at knee height on the way through.
Possibly apart from the label board position, your A type matches LNER type 38 of 1944. Apart from an inch or two in various dimensions it would match the LNER plywood versions built to D24 et al built from 1936 on - if it could be done in ply.
I thought this reply would take about 10 minutes but containers and their research are addictive!
All the best,
Stephen
Sascha, being the oliging chap that he is, may well take the above comments positively and I would not be surprised if we get a LNER BC/K and a BD. He was not long turning around a revised A type but he has made it clear he has not set a timescale for producing these other containers as he is working on other different designs, including a 3d printable model of the BR/Sealink container ships Container Enterprise and Container Venturer. as an aside, if anybody happens have photos or drawings of these two vessels built in 1958 for decicated container traffic from Heysham to Belfast carrying BD containers, Sascha would be very grateful. He has got everything out there on the web and was hoping I might have had contacts here in Belfast docks, which I do, but they have no photos, just memories of postioning them in the docks. Do we have any members from Heysham on here who might have photos of these vessels?
Any messages of encouragement to spur Sascha on with his container designs would be greatly apprciated. This time last year I never thought I would have 4 different LMS meat containers, let alone Hs and several A and B types. He deserves all the credit he gets for this work and as you can see he has a huge volume of output. The best way to show some appreciation might be to download more of his designs form his Printables page.
https://www.printables.com/social/39900 ... nok/models
Hopefully I might have a print of the A type posted by Thursday.
Regards,
Stephen
