Need help on Locomotive ID

fruitcop · Post by **fruitcop** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:48 am

Hi,
I need some help please. I usually collect o scale American brass engines and am at a total loss over this one. I think it is a Leeds toy train. It looks to my uninformed eye to be an n class. Could anyone help me with better ID as to which N class it is, if indeed it is one. also the colour it should display. The train looks as if it is a good base to build an nice display with if some detail is added.

Many thanks
Robert

Bullhead · Post by **Bullhead** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:44 am

I think it's an ex-Manchester, Sheffield & Lincolnshire (a.k.a. Great Central) 9F, or LNER N5, class. This type of locomotive was introduced in 1891 and received the BR power classification 2MT, so I suppose that the BR mixed traffic livery your model carries is probably correct as a representation of her final years (although the number spacing looks a bit excessive, and the square corners to the lining should be radiused). The engine in question, 69356, appears to have been withdrawn in the mid-1950s.

See http://www.lner.info/locos/N/n5.shtml for a history of the class. I learned with interest that the N5 was the first British type to have a Belpaire firebox.

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:38 am

Robert,

I agree with Bullhead that the loco is an N5/2. The Leeds Model Co. was a supplier of hand built model locos. Perhaps this is an O gauge example.

It is quite collectable and looks in very good condition,

Colombo

fruitcop · Post by **fruitcop** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:03 am

I want to thank both of you for your help in this matter. It's a bit hard to find local experts here.

Again Thanks
Robert

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:53 pm

Robert,

If you have a look at this web site, you will find the self same loco in LNER green as number 9356, on offer for £210.

http://www.antiques.dk.com/cat.php/Toys ... omotives/1

On the nationalisation of British Railways in 1948, LNER loco numbers were increased by 60000. I think that your loco may be a repaint job. It just may be green underneath the black.

Colombo

fruitcop · Post by **fruitcop** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:59 am

Thank you Colombo,

I was a bit unhappy with the paint job anyway and know that I can do much better. I wanted LNER markings and this photo will give me a better idea of the finish.

Robert

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:40 am

Robert,

I think that the LNER green livery of no.9356 may be a fiction. This is because the LNER no. carried is post 1946, when it would normally have appeared in unlined black. However I should add that it is just possible that 9356 was selected for a green repaint and kept as a passenger pilot. Under BR days this could have become lined black mixed traffic livery. Perhaps someone else could please confirm.

In GCR days, prior to 1923, the normal livery for an N5 was unlined black . After the Grouping it would have been repainted in LNER livery, black with fine red lining. However after 1928, the red lining was dropped. In BR days the normal livery would also have been unlined black.

I have attached a photo of two 4mm scale models of GCR tank locos. The C14 is in GCR passenger livery.

Colombo

fruitcop · Post by **fruitcop** » Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:18 pm

Thanks for the link and the photos. I did learn alot. ( I also got a very fair price even on a re-finshed one). I guess the engine is doomed to a basic black finish, as my collection of US Great Northern engines is centered in the 1930's. By the way, I have been taking it apart to strip it for refinishing, and I DID find evidence of a prior green finish. I might add that it was superor to the current livery. If I ever get it completed, I'll post a photo.

All the best
Robert

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Need help on Locomotive ID

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