Talk dirty
Moderators: 52D, Tom F, Rlangham, Atlantic 3279, Blink Bonny, Saint Johnstoun, richard
-
52D
- LNER A4 4-6-2 'Streak'
- Posts: 3968
- Joined: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:50 pm
- Location: Reallocated now between the Lickey and GWR
- Contact:
Re: Talk dirty
Pristine locos went out the door after the war started. Prewar the companies were usually proud of thier locos but due to prevailing conditions cleaning was usually the last thing on the shedmasters mind. Some people on this site have remarked at Gatesheads locos being quite filthy but that was post war with labour shortages etc. If you look for postings by Malcolm mainly in LNER photographs you will see the differences pre and post war. I have a soft spot for NER locos and its rare to see a dirty one in the NER era.
Hi interested in the area served by 52D. also researching colliery wagonways from same area.
-
chaz harrison
- GCR O4 2-8-0 'ROD'
- Posts: 599
- Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:35 am
Re: Talk dirty
a few more points about weathering...
If you have a copy of "The Book of the A4 Pacifics" turn to page 67 - 4489 pre-war on "The Scotsman" showing characteristic dirt on an otherwise very clean engine. Try page 3 - 4900 at the end of a run, very clean but showing some dirt. Page 110 - the pic' of 4500 suggests that even before the war Gateshead cleaning standards were not the highest.
Page 37 - after you have finished admiring the finish on "Silver Link" take a look at the N2 on ECS. The LNER was quite capable of putting out a "lesser" loco in a condition to rival British Railways.
I think that weathering a loco to make it look like a clean engine in service is the more difficult. Total filth is easier than working clean.
Herewith a snap of my unfinished J50/1 (it still needs the spectacle glasses and the thistle lubricators).
What has to be remembered is that a steam loco is an excellent dirt maker and covers itself and everything around it in dirt. You might choose not to weather your models but they won't look truly realistic until you do. Best to avoid too much airbrushing though, those factory "weathered" models don't pass muster because they have just been hazed all over with a dull brownish mix. Weathering needs detailing just like the rest of the model.
Chaz
If you have a copy of "The Book of the A4 Pacifics" turn to page 67 - 4489 pre-war on "The Scotsman" showing characteristic dirt on an otherwise very clean engine. Try page 3 - 4900 at the end of a run, very clean but showing some dirt. Page 110 - the pic' of 4500 suggests that even before the war Gateshead cleaning standards were not the highest.
Page 37 - after you have finished admiring the finish on "Silver Link" take a look at the N2 on ECS. The LNER was quite capable of putting out a "lesser" loco in a condition to rival British Railways.
I think that weathering a loco to make it look like a clean engine in service is the more difficult. Total filth is easier than working clean.
Herewith a snap of my unfinished J50/1 (it still needs the spectacle glasses and the thistle lubricators).
What has to be remembered is that a steam loco is an excellent dirt maker and covers itself and everything around it in dirt. You might choose not to weather your models but they won't look truly realistic until you do. Best to avoid too much airbrushing though, those factory "weathered" models don't pass muster because they have just been hazed all over with a dull brownish mix. Weathering needs detailing just like the rest of the model.
Chaz
- Attachments
-
-
Autocar Publicity
- NER C7 4-4-2
- Posts: 847
- Joined: Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:36 pm
- Location: Yorkshire
Re: Talk dirty
Too *** true! I was lining a coach today at Embsay - out in the open on the station, there wasn't enough space in the shed or shelter - and 'Darfield' left with a service train. Despite a strong sou-westerly breeze blowing away from me, my beautiful paintwork was covered in smuts... Admittedly most of the blame is due to the crappy open-cast coal we are forced to use these days - about as hot as Ann Widdecombe in a bikini - and as liable to throw out clag as a mound of tyres soaked in lead paint. And that's with industrials which are designed to cope with indifferent coal - let's have proper Welsh steam coal. PLEASE!What has to be remembered is that a steam loco is an excellent dirt maker and covers itself and everything around it in dirt.
Here's a picture I took a few years ago at Arley on the SVR - best of luck trying to recreate it in model form!
-
chaz harrison
- GCR O4 2-8-0 'ROD'
- Posts: 599
- Joined: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:35 am
Re: Talk dirty
Interesting picture of a container. It illustrates one of the pitfalls of using "preserved" stock as a guide for weathering. It is so weatherbeaten, with so little of the paint left that it must have been sitting around out of use, probably in a field, for a long time. Even BR wouldn't have let it get this bad, it wouldn't be good economics.
I recently weathered a 700 class (South Western 0-6-0) for someone. He lent me a colour album with a snap of one with a huge amount of rust on it. I had to point out to him that the loco was in fact on the scrap line at Eastleigh, and almost certainly never ran again. We agreed that it was too far gone for a loco in service and I reduced the corrosion to a believable level.
Chaz
I recently weathered a 700 class (South Western 0-6-0) for someone. He lent me a colour album with a snap of one with a huge amount of rust on it. I had to point out to him that the loco was in fact on the scrap line at Eastleigh, and almost certainly never ran again. We agreed that it was too far gone for a loco in service and I reduced the corrosion to a believable level.
Chaz