Copenhagen Fields & TFW’s workshop

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john coffin wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:05 pm It is also the "lamp iron" at the top does not seem quite right either.
I am quite happy to be wrong, but if we do not strive for your standards, then why are we bothering?

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The original lamp iron hole was off centre and above the handrail stanchion hole. However, It has now been drifted centrally and will be incorporated into the top handrail stanchion as one more robust unit: its position will be adjustable with that assembly. It would not have survived for long in the original position.

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I knew you would have a cunning plan Tim!
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Mass production of under-frames in progress. Set up on milling machine. 
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The cut outs are obviously for the bogie wheels. 
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Interesting end next. 

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And now for the start of the fun and games. The main 1mm-thick brass chassis spars for the Coronation set have been made and can be seen located in the 3DP chassis; designed and printed by Mike Trice. The articulated joint is an overlapping design, with the extra layer beneath the main spar. 
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The (currently) simple articulated joint was made by making the additional tongue from 1mm brass, drilled as a strip and then cut off, as required. 
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These short tongues were then soldered to the main spar using the pivot hole for location - the separate components can be seen at the top of the image with the soldering in progress towards the bottom. The drill shank was pushed into a mica block and the underside of the tongue on the spar notched to make it easier to cut through and remove when finished soldering. This also reduced solder flow in that region and the same tongue coated with a black felt tip acted as an anti-flux: of course drill shanks won’t take soft solder, either. The plastic bottle with a needle tube is for phosphoric acid flux. 
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This close up should make clear the inherent flexibility of the simple joint, but that is probably not how it will stay…
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Just a random smiley little picture.
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Happy Christmas & a prosperous New Year to all.

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As many of you will be aware, Hornby have produced a rather good Coronation set in 4mm scale with a streamlined canvas fairing cleverly modelled. I was kindly given images of these by Tony Wright & Jesse Sim to work out the mechanism, actually confirmed by seeing one in the flesh at the MRC. I thought this clever idea could be made to work in 2mm scale.
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My previous streamlined Silver Jubilee set had thin rubber fairings (dental dam) fixed at one end and tucked into the neighbouring coach: unfortunately these have perished over the years. The Coronation is different because the canvas fairings were painted to match the body colour and so a solid structure would represent this rather better - as per Hornby.
The coach bodies therefore need to separate when traversing a curve: this is achieved by a mechanism based on two curved slots engaged by pins at each end of the bogie with the articulated pivot slotted to allow extension. As the bogie enters a curve, the pins move into the opposed curved sections and so the carriage bodies move apart on the articulation slot.
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I realised that fabricating such an extending mechanism would require fairly accurate cutting out; some simple drilling jigs were therefore made to ensure commonality between the chassis and the bogie. As a reference, the centre line of the chassis spar was scribed between the articulation point and the conventional bogie pivot. The articulation end was then stabilised on a drill shank in a block of Tufnol. This also located the steel drilling jig and its centre line notch aligned with the scribed line, finally being held with a drop of cyanoacrylate adhesive at the free end. The first centre hole was drilled, then a pin placed in the hole to further stabilise the jig whilst the other two holes were drilled either side, being at the extremities of the prospective arc. (The nearer set of holes in the steel jig are for extra heavy-weight 10’ bogies.)
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The two arcs between the holes were cut out with a piercing saw and filed to allow a 1mm diameter rod to freely pass through the shape. At this stage the articulation pivot hole had not been elongated to allow lengthening.
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The same steel jig was then located within the underside of the bogie and the drive pin holes drilled at each end, directly above the axle in the midline.
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Some provisional pins were made from 10 & 12BA bolts for the main bogie pivot shaft and the two drive pins respectively. The streamlined fairing was made from a 4mm thick sheet of very hard grade Tufnol, with two pegs milled into the bottom, a centre hole drilled and two 14BA studs drilled, tapped and Araldited into the two pegs.
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The two holes for the fairing, either side of the bogie pivot post, were drilled using a steel and brass jig for drilling the stud holes. This was held in place (temporarily) with a 10BA nut and bolt whilst the 0.8mm holes were drilled (subsequently reamed to 1mm clearance).
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The same jig was used to drill the Tufnol fairing it having already been drilled 1.7mm clearance for the central 10BA bolt, using this hole to locate the jig. The assembly was clamped in the vice, simultaneously holding the fairing for drilling as can be seen in the image below.19007a73-2e73-4154-b4c3-1f6713082ff2.jpe
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The bare bones of the articulated carriages worked together broadly as expected when placed on an 18” radius test track; they were also acceptable with the 3DP under frames and fairing in situ.
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In order to work smoothly the fairing needs to be bevelled on its outer corners and the inverse on the carriage bodies. These were filed and smoothed accordingly.
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The mechanism at its most extreme can be seen with the temporary bodies assembled on the 18” test track. It looks as if the fairing is herniating sideways like a slipped disc, but it actually stays in position on the bogie and is lost within the carriage body.
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It runs well enough on the test track (interesting beaver tail…), but the acid test will be trying it out on the layout.
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The carriages are not a new streamlined LNER / GNER suburban service but the core for the etched sides for the Coronation set itself. Our curves are much more generous on CF than train sets so we might get quite a good prototypically subtle result, especially as our visible tracks are virtually straight.
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Once I am content that the prototype is working as expected, then the other three pairs will be made. The inter articulated-pair ends will also be fully streamlined, probably much as Hornby have with their sets. It has certainly made me stretch the little grey cells getting this far.

If anyone has made it to the end of this post: well done! You deserve a New Year celebration drink.

All the best for 2025

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I was wondering about the choice of motive power :)

Looking very good, I'm going to be very interested in seeing the result.

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Now the next fun and games has started. Owing quite a lot to an Azuma, apart from the obvious shape. 
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Watch this space, or soon to be lack of…

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My Delphic comment about the Azuma, relates to the close kinetic coupling arrangement used by Kato on their excellent N gauge model. I thought this could work for the ends of the Coronation twins. 
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The design is a masterpiece of miniature plastic engineering.
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As per the Hornby system, the ends are extended with half of the canvas fairing. 
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The prototype was cut out from 3.4mm thick Tufnol. 
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The visual effect is good on the straight, but obviously suffers a bit when entering a sharp curve; not a problem on the front of CF.


The testing on the layout was OK, but it was all a bit wibbly wobbly as nothing was definitively fixed in place. I think it will be OK,, once everything is positively located and fettled. The twin set ends will be 3DP extensions, being made by Justin Colson who is also making some rather fine tables and seats for the first class carriages.
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The table shape is very characteristic and will show up through the windows. 
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As ever a team effort on CF. 
 
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It’s not that I haven’t been busy, it’s just that making 4x a fairly tricky expanding articulation mechanism takes time. The proof-of-principle articulated pair were cobbled together with nuts and bolts but something better was required for the production run. 
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The pivots would certainly work better in smooth brass and so this is what has been used, making turnings for the driving pivots (threaded 14BA on the end that bolts through the bogie longitudinal)  and a simple plug type with a heavy top washer for the central pivot. This pivot locates up inside the fairing and holds it vertically. All of three extra of these have been milled from Tufnol and await final fettling and fitting. 
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The prototype unit has also been upgraded with the production components. 

Justin has produced some superb first class seats and tables and the buffing /fairing ends for the pairs of carriages in 3DP. It will be fun to get on with some actual modelling in the near future!

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Slight change in direction today. I think a bit of 6 x 20mm gauge plate should just about be able to support a 2mm scale loco and a few wagons over a span of a few inches on the ramp line behind  Goods & Mineral Jcn SB up to Mrs W’s goods yard. Image

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To make sure it survives, the bridge deck will be 1mm gauge plate Araldited to the beam. Better safe than sorry…

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Looks and sounds a good idea Tim Watson.

Can't quite tell from the first photo ; from the main G & M signal box landing, have you also got the very few wooden steps up, on the landing's west side, to the wall of the Cally Goods & Coal Depot line, and the few (even fewer?) down the other side to the track level ?

Unfortunately I don't recall whether there was a slight reduction of the wall height for walking through its top, or the steps both sides went to the wall top.
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Like this Steve?
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As I should have expected : Excellent work - that's how it was. :)
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In other layout developments, with some exciting new stock in the offing, it has become obvious that CF needs significantly more fiddle yard storage space; something that has become increasingly apparent over the last few shows. This mainly affects the passenger lines, as the goods lines can easily be expanded by simply opening up more of the loops through the yard.

CF has evolved over the years and at the rear of the layout there were some fairly illogical S curves on the down mainline (DM). These were based on the cost-expedient re-cycling of some of the 1/4” x 1/16” track curves from the short, original, form of the layout. Straightening this line would make operation less onerous for the long expresses and at the same time capacity could usefully be increased. Following recent discussions it was decided that the down main loops could be doubled in length by moving the entrance turnout 5’ further up the line, giving two long tracks (shown in red on the photo below - after lifting the turnout).   The new loop would easily be capable of storing two trains in two sections. The original DM track on the big fiddle yard board (BFYB) would be left-in situ and incorporated as a loop on the down relief (DR -  new connection shown in black), merging just before the down goods flyover in the middle distance. 
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This overhead view shows the connection as proposed, with the original DR shown as a black dashed line and the curve of the original DM also visible on the left. The double red lines are where the new extended DM loops will be placed. 
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At the other end of the BFYB the reverse connections need to be made, with a significant re-alignment on the DM & DR. The latter would be straightened out a little and taken broadly parallel (red line) with the original DM. The extra DR loop is shown in black below, with the original as black dashes. 
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In this view the DM track has already been lifted and the extra line is roughly placed under the NLR flyover (removed in this view, but the board position is outlined in yellow dashes).  There will be a facing point inserted on the DR (black line) and of course some of the original DM line would become the extra loop.
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In order to make this all happen, careful widening of the supporting structures for the elevated goods lines was required: a multi tool saw was most useful for this. We now have yet more archaeology on CF with evidence apparent in some of these photos, such as lines lifted and some redundant structures remaining.  I don’t recall writing up much about the CF fiddle yards, but our brass strip track as worked well over the years. Hopefully, we will have a more varied form of operation in a few weeks time at Ally Pally: if it is completed on schedule!

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