Annersley allocation help please

Tom Quayle · Post by **Tom Quayle** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:59 am

16D ANNESLEY
41280 41320 42769 42784 42847 42872 42897 Black 5s: (44932 45116 45223
45234 45450) 63578 63579 63591 63610 63676 63689 63711 63740
63752 63777 63789 63792 63796 63806 63808 63817 63838 63854
63865 63867 63869 63886 63901 64375 64420 64739 64798 64955
9fs: (92010 92011 92012 92013 92030 92031 92032 92033 92043 92067
92068 92069 92071 92072 92073 92074 92075 92076 92087 92088
92089 92090 92091 92092 92093 92094 92095 92096) D3859 D3860
D3861
I have put in brackets the locos I think I can Identify as Black 5s or 9fs does anyone know what the others are I suspect that atleast from 62610 to 63901 could be O4s and the 64 number series to be Q6 or 7s or even tank engines? Could someone 'shed' some light on this for me please

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:37 pm

Tom,

May I suggest that you find yourself an Ian Allan Combined Volume for the mid 1950s. There are plenty about and they make great reading.

All these sort of questions would then be easily answered.

Colombo

Bullhead · Post by **Bullhead** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:31 am

Colombo wrote:May I suggest that you find yourself an Ian Allan Combined Volume for the mid 1950s. There are plenty about and they make great reading.

Seconded. Here is what yours will tell you when you buy one (I suggest eBay, where an "Allan ABC" search returned 359 items):

41280, 41320 - Ivatt 2MT 2-6-2T
42769 - 42897 (inclusive) - Horwich "Crab" 2-6-0
63578 - 63901 (inclusive) - 01/04 2-8-0
64375, 64420 - J11 0-6-0
64739 - 64955 (inclusive) - J39 0-6-0
D3859 - D3861 (inclusive) - BR standard class 08 0-6-0 diesel shunter

Get bidding!

Tom Quayle · Post by **Tom Quayle** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:24 pm

Never mind get bidding its a case of waiting till the end of the month and seeing if I can get a good price for buying Bachmann 9fs in bulk are any of the 9fs crosleys. Ill make a start by repainting my J39 into BR early from LNER as 1996.

Bullhead · Post by **Bullhead** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:11 am

Tom Quayle wrote:can I get a good price for buying Bachmann 9fs in bulk are any of the 9fs crosleys.

I'm not sure whether you're asking whether any of Bachmann's forthcoming models will feature the Franco-Crosti (N.B. spelling

) boiler, or whether any of the engines you listed in your opening post were so equipped. Anyway, the answer is the same in both cases - no.

92020 to 92029 inclusive were the 9Fs which were fitted with this set-up. They were all allocated to 15A Wellingborough, according to the 1959 Locoshed Book.

This http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/L ... crosti.htm site has an excellent technical description and some very interesting pictures of extraordinary Belgian, Italian, German and Irish engines fitted with the system.

Tom Quayle · Post by **Tom Quayle** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:54 am

Thanks that makes the true allocation easier converting a Bachmann 9f the Crosti would be difficult for my primitive mind lol.

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:48 am

If you are concerned about getting the detail variations right on your model 9Fs, you will need a Combined Volume to find out which ones had double chimneys or mechanical stokers. It will also tell you with which of 4 types of BR1 tender they were fitted.

It would be fairly helpful to sort out the 8 sub classes of 01/04, but you really need photographs of the actual one you are modelling to get them right.

I think that you need an Ian Allan Combined Volume for your chosen year.

Colombo

Tom Quayle · Post by **Tom Quayle** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:06 am

Did any Nottingham Engines ever get stabled at Annersley I think a Scot or a Jubillie in BR green would break up the band of Black locos I will have to get. lol. Shame one of the 9fs was not 92220 the Bachmann one looks great

Bullhead · Post by **Bullhead** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:34 am

I'd have thought that the presence of an exotic visitor wouldn't be difficult to justify. Something being transferred cross-Region, or working a special of some sort (football? pigeon fanciers? troops? holiday excursion?) develops a hot box and comes in for attention.

And in any case, as Richard correctly observes:

richard wrote:There are two rules to model railways:
1.) Have fun!
2.) It is my damn railway, and I'll do what I want

So if you want to assume that the Channel Tunnel was actually completed in 1920 and visiting SNCF locomotives work through services from Paris to the Midlands, who's to stop you?

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:45 am

Richard,

You imagine SNCF stock working through a 1920s Channel Tunnel up to Annesley.

As the GCR was built to Continental Loading Gauge, this would be quite possible if you could also assume that a new Continental gauge line had built from Marylebone to Dover.

However you would have to scratch build your 4mm scale Continental stock, unless of course, you use HO British outline stock with Continental HO.

Colombo

Bullhead · Post by **Bullhead** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:07 pm

Colombo wrote:You imagine SNCF stock working through a 1920s Channel Tunnel up to Annesley.

As the GCR was built to Continental Loading Gauge, this would be quite possible if you could also assume that a new Continental gauge line had built from Marylebone to Dover.

However you would have to scratch build your 4mm scale Continental stock, unless of course, you use HO British outline stock with Continental HO.

Yes, I'd vaguely recalled that the GCR was built to the so-called "Berne" loading gauge. However, as you point out, the contrast between 3.5mm and 4mm to the foot scale models would probably be quite marked.

I'm assuming that had any of the early schemes to build a rail tunnel between England and France come to fruition, it would have been electrified from the outset or very early on as the technology became available.

Anyway, all of this would tend to suggest that if Tom wants to park a Jubilee on his model of Annesley, then that's what he should do!

Tom Quayle · Post by **Tom Quayle** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:53 am

hehe I thnk Ill go as far as Southern region Standard 5s and pacifics I get sea sick when crossing the channel lol

Tom Quayle · Post by **Tom Quayle** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:01 am

Final loco list
Annersley locos= 9fs,J39s,O2/O4,Ivatt 2s, Jinty (1959 ian allen shed book), 08s, Black 5s
Non Annersley=Jubillies, Scots, 8fs
Inter Regional and specials= SR standard 5 (73110 easiest), Buillied poacifics, A1,2,3,4s (of couse), V2, Brittania, Clan (dont ask why),
Other 10203, 10001, D210 empress of britern