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Morning All

1960's or present day?

D9009 Alycidon looking a like a East Coast 1960's express

http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/ ... &k=LRJcQ95

Neil

http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/

I am going to don my tin hat now.

Is that present day D9009 correct for the 1960s?

Compare this - http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/ ... s&lb=1&s=O

with this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf200 ... otostream/

Now, I realise the vagaries of 1960s colour film rendition (arguments about which have been going on for decades), but the lower green looks much less "lime green" on the sixties version. Also the small yellow warning panel should end through the centre line of the front lamps.

Well the coaching stock livery is wrong for a start. Western region stock behind a Deltic, pah!

Blackout60800 wrote:Well the coaching stock livery is wrong for a start. Western region stock behind a Deltic, pah!

Oh 'eck
was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek and only for the b/w photo

Neil

Haha, was all in good humor

It's like that class 47 that Old Oak Common painted up in B.R. 2 tone green livery back in the mid-1990s?.

Somehow it just didn't look quite right to me both 2 tone greens greens looked a bit to dark for me but there you go?.

D9009 was in the wars today, Pheasant through the headcode box glass somewhere in Durham.

The spare cab from D9008 could well be losing it's headcode glass soon then

It is surprisingly difficult with modern paints to get that 1960s tone right and even when you do it ages completely differently to what the originals did.

You can also get some odd variations with the same spec. When we (OOC) painted 47484 in its second coat of GW green in the early 90s the paint looked ok but quickly went to a tone a touch too light for GW green. I had a lot to do with 47004 going two tone green, as it was our oldest 47 and also a former Clarence Yard machine, so it just had to be done!

We took a lot of care over getting the paint right but that took some effort. Even then modern paints don't quite give that exact 1960s look but we got it pretty well right first time. The loco took a lot of preparation as the bodywork needed a lot of attention. There was hardly any money about to do this job but I "found" it and the staff themselves coughed for the replica builders plates.

When one of the cleaners hosed it down accidentally with neat cleaner in the elephant house outside the old oak factory about a month later we had to do it all over again! We didn't think it then looked quite as good as the first job.

Incidentally, the GW green 47s at the Oak had their paint jobs done by two ex Swindon works painters we employed for painting jobs when the works shut down. I hid them as "electricians" on the books for years and they were some painters - all the lining work on those locos was done by hand and the spacing was exactly to the GWR spec.

So I am not surprised No 9 (my favourite one) isn't quite like it would have been 50 years ago. But it still look good, although what 'Speedy' (the FP painter) achieved with that loco in 1981 for the Fenman 2 railtour (the depot swansong railtour) took my breath away. Never have I ever seen a loco shine like No 9 did that day. When it ran round at Peterborough I crouched down with other FP depot mates to take a shot and you saw the track from the adjacent line reflected in the perfect blue paintwork. We took our shots, then just looked at each other and nodded in appreciation.

Andy W wrote:Fenman 2 railtour

I've found this;
http://www.napier-chronicles.co.uk/9_25-5-81.htm

Paint it up in British Rail corporate blue with yellow front ends then you can't go far wrong!.

Is this the colour you're looking for, I took this picture in the spring of 1961 at York using High speed Ektachrome.
attachment=0]D9001 York.jpg[/attachment]
Cheers
silverlink

Hi Silverlink and Strang Steel

To me, that's the colour - the colour of Pea Soup!!!

Along with the lighter green on the 47s very difficult colours to reproduce, as explained earlier.

Postman Prat wrote:To me, that's the colour - the colour of Pea Soup!!!

Along with the lighter green on the 47s very difficult colours to reproduce, as explained earlier.

That comes with continually changing the liveries on all these preserved locos to how they use to run in a particular period of time then 6 months later changing them back again to the previous livery they just come out of 6 months earlier rather then just keeping the locos in the liveriers that they ended up running in.

The end result is some locos are now running around in either slightly lighter or slightly darker shades of there original liveries.

The preserved DELTICS should all be painted in British Rail corporate blue with full yellow ends cos thats wot 90%+ of loco spotter's of the late 1960s & 1970s would remember them running in!.

Maybe keep one DELTIC in British Railways 2 tone green permanently just for contrast sake.