The LNER Encyclopedia

Two loose pics from inside 4th scrap book (unknown photographer - anybody recognise?).
What dictated changes to tender numbering, is this a clue to dates?
Can anyone throw any light on locations or dates?
What an assortment of stock.
Many thanks as always in anticipation of any answers & further interesting dicussion....

ID

First picture Centenary between 1925 and 1928 when numbers moved to the Cab

That's a TPO second vehicle back in the first picture as well, I think.

Both are familiar - I'll see if I can locate them.

Could the first, of 2555, be of an Up train, not far south of Grantham?

StevieG wrote:Could the first, of 2555, be of an Up train, not far south of Grantham?

I'd go with Stevie on that - looks like the Great North Road bridge in the far distance, and the three track arrangement fits.

G'Day Gents

Sorry can't help with the locations, but with the TPO, shouldn't the net/pick up be on the other side !!! (if that is the net/pick up)

manna

The TPOs were turned or on specific duties in which case this could well be an ECS working.

In scrapbook 2 I have a pic noted as "4323 at Peascliffe"
This looks very much like one of the locations in the previous pic.
Again ancient stock, any clues on the service or date?

ID

G'Day Gents

D2, 4323, built June 1898, withdrawn April 1949. I'm building her sister 4321, at the moment, be ready soon.

Love the old stock.

manna

I think 4323 and 2543 are on down trains just to the north of Peascliffe Tunnel.

The Pacific is an A1 still with short-travel valve motion, so it can be dated between May 1928 and the end of 1930.

Not much to go on for 4323 as to date, unless it is taken at the same time as 2543?

The stock is all ex-GNR Howlden, a mixture of 6-wheel and bogies, with a possible twin in the centre? I don't think it is a main line 'Parly' train, as they often contained later bogie gangwayed stock in the formation, so could it be a Grantham-Lincoln train?

Rather too much conjecture, but the best I can offer.

John

No Twin set, first four all 6-wheelers.

Quite a long train if it is a Grantham-Lincoln, although the favourite time for photography out in the country would be Saturday afternoon, when many local services would be strengthened.

John

JASd17 wrote:I think 4323 and 2543 are on down trains just to the north of Peascliffe Tunnel.


John

Yes, I agree. It certainly looks to be there, with Cow Close Plantation on the left and the farm track bridge to Gonerby Grange behind.

The trees seem to be in full leaf and the sun appears to be just west of south, so could it be a Saturday afternoon half day excursion to Skegness?

I agree the light is afternoon, the tunnel runs almost due north-south.

Most (all?) excursions ran with express passenger lamps.

Although anyone with access to RCTS Volume 5, should look at figure 36.

John

Great detective work chaps, fascinating...........
If it is as you suggest, as children we used to walk from Barkston (through Jericho Woods) to this bridge (north of Peascliffe Tunnel).
The road was more of a track than a country lane, not sure where it went to, a farm I think?
We would not stay long though, a local farmer would always "suggest" that we should move on somewhere else.
This usually meant "going over the top" to the southern portal, a big trek on a hot day.
I seem to remember more than one bridge along this particular section, with another to the south end of the tunnel (Gonerby?)

ID

I think the 2 pictures that were taken north of Peascliffe tunnel are at a place called locally as BELTON.

There use to be a s/box at Belton (north of Peascliffe tunnel) in G.N.R. days circa 1900.

There's an old photograph of Belton s/box located on the 2-track section between north of Peascliffe tunnel and Barkston South Junction. The photograph is looking from south to north in a book about Great Northern Railway signalling. Belton s/box was situated on the up side of the running line in the bottom on a shallow embankment with a wood or a line of trees behind it at a higher level on the top of the embankment (as seen in the 2-photographs).