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4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood (The Aftermath)

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:58 pm
by easternstreak
It was a regular day, while I was reading the Metro newspaper when a certain article caught my eye.
It was about the Badaeker Blitz of WW2, and the largest image there (and the one which caught my attention) was this one.
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So all I want to know it, what do you think of this image. For me, the first time I heard about this incident was in a very emotional episode of Simon Martins fantastic BRWS Series, (even if it wasn't 100% accurate :wink: ).

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:03 pm
by 60800
I'm surprised the tender was returned to service. It looks to be very warped and twisted

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:06 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
I'm glad the episode did its job and got you interested! :)

When I originally wrote Episode 10, I had a few written sources I was reading, and chose one specific one over another - it was simpler to have the actual aftermath in the station rather than in the shed, where 4469 was actually damaged.

I felt having it in the shed would be too grim for the audience I was trying to attract. In hindsight it could have been written much better and closer to history.

When I film it again in the new format, it will be an accurate account in all but the faces on trains.

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:12 pm
by easternstreak
S.A.C. Martin wrote:I'm glad the episode did its job and got you interested! :)

When I originally wrote Episode 10, I had a few written sources I was reading, and chose one specific one over another - it was simpler to have the actual aftermath in the station rather than in the shed, where 4469 was actually damaged.

I felt having it in the shed would be too grim for the audience I was trying to attract. In hindsight it could have been written much better and closer to history.

When I film it again in the new format, it will be an accurate account in all but the faces on trains.
Of course, what would your series be without faces on trains. :D

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:01 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
easternstreak wrote:Of course, what would your series be without faces on trains. :D
Realistic! :lol: :wink:

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:23 pm
by 52D
Seen in happier days some 18 months before its demise in full cry up through Alnmouth. I have been trying to find pictures of Sir Ralph/Gadwall for my facebook site for a while, this is the only one ive found as yet.
For Micky and Co, the top of the signalbox you can see behind the first coach is the still existing last pre grouping cabin on the ECML.
Just found out that the LNER and the GWR both lost a named locomotive during the war. The GWR lost a Hall No.4911. Cant find anything on the Hall, can someone say what she was named and where she was Lost.

EDIT following Blackouts info heres a link to more on Bowden Hall, incidentally there are two original Bowden Halls one is now a hotel in Gloucester the other is near Chapel en le frith, Derbys. http://www.plymouthdata.info/Railways-S ... Keyham.htm

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:01 pm
by easternstreak
52D wrote:Seen in happier days some 18 months before its demise in full cry up through Alnmouth. I have been trying to find pictures of Sir Ralph/Gadwall for my facebook site for a while, this is the only one ive found as yet.
For Micky and Co, the top of the signalbox you can see behind the first coach is the still existing last pre grouping cabin on the ECML.
Just found out that the LNER and the GWR both lost a named locomotive during the war. The GWR lost a Hall No.4911. Cant find anything on the Hall, can someone say what she was named and where she was Lost.
It's actually amazing when you think how many locos that the UK was holding at the time. Yet how so few of them actually got bombed.
Speaking of the war it turns out Flying Scotsman will be in Wartime Black for Railfest, but with smoke deflectors. :?

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:05 pm
by 60800
52D wrote:Hall No.4911. Cant find anything on the Hall, can someone say what she was named
'Bowden Hall' according to google

EDIT: Took a direct hit during an air raid on Keyham

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:06 pm
by 52D
Cheers Blackout ive got something to go at now.

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:12 pm
by 60800
Actually, from the photos of this I've seen, I'm still left wondering, where did that driving wheel get to?

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:18 pm
by 52D
The wheels were damaged beyond repair. When the loco was transferred to Doncaster for scrapping/parts recovery a set of wheels was put under the loco and it was towed as a 4-4-0.

Ive put a link on my post above about Bowden Hall.

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:23 pm
by 60800
Ah yes, I've seen a photo of that before. What I was meaning was had it flown off when the bomb hit?
It dosen't seem to be in the vicinity of the loco at all

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:37 pm
by easternstreak
S.A.C. Martin wrote:
easternstreak wrote:Of course, what would your series be without faces on trains. :D
Realistic! :lol: :wink:
hehe good point.
going to be a cheeky boy, and ask for a signed copy of the book when in print :mrgreen:

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:09 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
easternstreak wrote:
S.A.C. Martin wrote:
easternstreak wrote:Of course, what would your series be without faces on trains. :D
Realistic! :lol: :wink:
hehe good point.
going to be a cheeky boy, and ask for a signed copy of the book when in print :mrgreen:
Anyone who asks for a signature, will get one. :)

Let's walk before we can run first - eBook first, print run second. I haven't the capital to spend I'm afraid, otherwise I would have self published the book by now.

Re: 4469 Gadwall/Sir Ralph Wedgwood

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:19 pm
by easternstreak
S.A.C. Martin wrote:
Realistic! :lol: :wink:
[/quote]hehe good point.
going to be a cheeky boy, and ask for a signed copy of the book when in print :mrgreen:
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Anyone who asks for a signature, will get one. :)

Let's walk before we can run first - eBook first, print run second. I haven't the capital to spend I'm afraid, otherwise I would have self published the book by now.
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That's all right, I know that when it does get published. It will give the RWS a run for its money :lol:
I do love your stories, they have a certain uniqueness that none others have. It's even persuaded to start writing my own stories. :mrgreen:
Will you be going to Railfest? :P