The LNER Encyclopedia

I was astounded to note that it is 2½ years since I last posted a new message here. Be that as it may, my latest LNER related new images, all scanned from original film material, are here ..........
https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Recent-u ... uploads-E/

The sequence of the images might seem to be strange but they shown from top left in date uploaded order with the most recent first in line.

There are some outstanding questions for some of these pictures particularly regarding locations but I’ll post those here as soon as I can.

Mike Morant

Beautiful images.
They are well worth the money if you want something in particular.

Kimball

Another excellent set of photos. Some comments (I'm afraid I shan't be creating a SmugMug account just to add notes to photos):

6570 - you comment it was withdrawn early. For scrap, or to go back into War Department service? Many O4s were requisitioned and taken overseas. I can check Yeadon but not right now.

3003 - that isn't a Quadart. It's a pair of Diagram 210 twins. They're very distinctive as they have the two lavatories in the Composite vehicle. Lovely mix of stock.

4419 - that isn't a Klondyke behind it, it's another C1. 4419 is an interesting loco in its own right and is worth reading up on.

9415 - interesting train. It looks like a regular set of 4 (BT - T - C - BT) with a vestibuled vehicle, possibly a Composite (a through carriage?) attached, then what looks like another non-vestibuled Third, then some vans and possibly a horsebox at the very back. Maybe being used to reposition stock.

B12 8561 at Newport (Essex) - 4 wheel brake vehicle at the head of a vestibuled set and a van/horsebox on the rear.

The shot of 4419 is likely to be of train 330 Down, the 10.09am SX, 10.15am SO, in 1939. This was a train for Hitchin. 4419 was a Hitchin loco by this date, I suggest that another Hitchin loco is behind it 3272.

John

JASd17 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:26 am The shot of 4419 is likely to be of train 330 Down, the 10.09am SX, 10.15am SO, in 1939. This was a train for Hitchin. 4419 was a Hitchin loco by this date, I suggest that another Hitchin loco is behind it 3272.

Thank you, John. It is, indeed, 3272 as you suggested. The caption has been considerably changed …….

A 1939 shot of Ivatt 'C1 class atlantic no. 4419 piloting 3272, another Ivatt C1, whilst in charge of what is probably the 330 Down, the 10.09am SX, 10.15am SO, departing from the suburban platforms at King's Cross. Both engines were allocated to Hitchin at the time. 4419 was a GNR product dating from 1906, much rebuilt by Gresley, and would be withdrawn as LNER 2849 at Ardsley mpd in July 1948.<br>
[S. H. Freese / <i>Mike Morant collection</i>]

Mike M.

9415 - interesting train. It looks like a regular set of 4 (BT - T - C - BT) with a vestibuled vehicle, possibly a Composite (a through carriage?) attached, then what looks like another non-vestibuled Third, then some vans and possibly a horsebox at the very back. Maybe being used to reposition stock.

Thank you for your comments which have been incorporated into much revised captions. I've extracted the rolling stock part from the shot of 9415 and placed it at this web location ……….
https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Recent-u ... -CjKG72m/A
….. but whether or not it is helpful for identification is another matter.

Mike M.

Thanks for the update Mike.

Train 330 Down was frequently double-headed to avoid a light engine movement down to Hitchin. The double-heading was not required for hauling the train because that was only 6 carriages.

John

There are some outstanding questions for some of these pictures particularly regarding locations but I’ll post those here as soon as I can.

Some of those questions have already been answered but here are the remainder:

1. This image ………. https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Recent-u ... -xN5Wr6Q/A ……….. is described as shown in the caption - a B17 at Willoughby - but the sleeve note states that it's a Newcastle to Swansea through train. The stock is of GWR origin but I'm puzzled by the reference to "Newcastle" because Willoughby is near the Lincolnshire coast. Any ideas, gents?

2. This Jersey Lily shot https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Recent-u ... -fVdDsNx/A was undocumented. There's little to go on but does anyone here recognise where this was taken, please?

3. Double-headed B1's https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Recent-u ... -vdV3JKm/A is also without background data. I took a stab at it and have said that's it's at Moor Park but is that right, please? If not, then where?

Mike M.

The station is Braunston & Willougby, it is on the GC main line south of Rugby. The trains shown are indeed heading south, taken just a little to the north of the station.

John

JASd17 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:47 pm The station is Braunston & Willougby, it is on the GC main line south of Rugby. The trains shown are indeed heading south, taken just a little to the north of the station.

Brill! Wrong Willoughby then. Thanks for clearing that one up for me. Appreciated.

Mike M.

The N1 4576 pic at KX has two horse boxes, not sure yet of their origin.

John

There's no point in starting a new thread and so I'm just continuing with this one from August. There aren't many new additions but there's certainly some variety: https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Recent-u ... uploads-E/

It's only the first four rows of thumbnail images and it should be noted that the two excellent colour shots of the J36 are heritage charter shots bought via eBay.

For me, the first image, the Holden S44 0-4-4T, is arguably my find of the year.

I've captioned the shot of 60029 as being at Stoke but I'm not sure if I'm right. Your input on that one would be appreciated.

Mike Morant

https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Recent-u ... -wSdms5Z/A is a splendid shot of what I took to be the Up Sleeper near Crianlarich, featuring Composite, First and Third Class sleeping cars in the one train. But then I noticed that the engine appears to be carrying lamps for a No.2 Express Goods, so what might account for that?

At peak times there would be a lot of traffic concentrated in one direction. The stock has to get back somehow.

Sleeping Cars were special vehicles, for individual services, not something to be shunted around at any time.

I shall look into this.

John

JASd17 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:42 am At peak times there would be a lot of traffic concentrated in one direction. The stock has to get back somehow.

Sleeping Cars were special vehicles, for individual services, not something to be shunted around at any time.

I shall look into this.

John

Thank you, John. The thought had crossed my mind that this might be an ECS working, the more so because information previously provided to this forum at viewtopic.php?p=13073#p13073 was indicative of nothing more than a composite brake and composite sleeping car forming the Fort William portion of the 'Highlandman' in the summer of 1939. Assuming that accurately describes the regular formation, the presence of no less than three sleeping cars does suggest a seasonal traffic peak. The Glorious Twelfth, perhaps, with 3rd class sleeper to accomodate the shooters' retinue?

So far as I know, the Fort WIlliam sleeper was normally a balanced working, with the inbound morning working forming the return working in the afternoon, but since the sleeper portion was combined with a Queen Street train, I would imagine the normal load was sufficient to require a pilot. Perhaps there is some significance in the absence of a pilot from the pictured train under discussion?