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A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:34 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
Really simple question for which I have scoured RCTS 2A, Yeadon's, British Pacific Locomotives and many more, and can't find the answer!
What metal are the cab spectacle frames on an A4 Pacific's cab front made of?
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:41 pm
by 52A
I would say brass.
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:45 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
Phew 52A - that's a stunning and brilliant photograph that! Yes, I think you're right. I know it's brass on other locomotive classes but wanted to make 100% sure.
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:46 pm
by 60800
I'm not so sure about that. Take a look at 60009's;
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:56 pm
by mick b
Brass . The Coronation Locos would have been Chrome plated
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:22 pm
by 52A
In later years they were usually painted.
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:02 pm
by Postman Prat
Hi
Not such a simple question. Checking photos, taken over the last few years shows
no doubts 60019 Chrome
60022 Brass
60007 Fireman's side Brass 95% certain
Driver's side Could be either, both taken the same day, although I lean towards Brass
60009 Fireman's side Brass 100%
Drivers side Almost certain (95% or more) Chrome
Bittern & Mallard photographed together Barrow Hill this year. On 60009 each side was photographed on different occassions, about 5 years apart.
I don't suppose this has helped!!
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:16 pm
by 60800
I have both sides of 60009 in 'chrome'. There's a massive difference between the look of 60009 and 4464's chrome surrounds though. 60009's are a lot duller and have a brushed metal finish to my eye
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:28 pm
by Postman Prat
Hi Blackout.
My photo of the Fireman's side was taken at the Severn Valley on 23.9.01. It's possible that it had been changed before you took your photo; as I said in my post 100% certain Brass!
Confusing the issue even further.
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:58 pm
by 60800
I reckon she had new-uns made from mild steel or iron during the recent overhaul. They were definitely brass in colour before the overhaul
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:14 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
If we are quite sure that the majority of A4s over their life had brass spectacle frames, then it's perfect for that I am planning. Thank you gentlemen.
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:46 pm
by Bryan
How about Chromed Brass?
Or whatever it might be called.
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:32 pm
by 52D
Chrome does take to copper and brass very well, when plating steel to get a good finish it is often copper plated before the Chromium layer is added.
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:10 pm
by swhite01
In the LNER people section of the forum - thread titled - "Top Shed" there has been a photo posted of 60008 in the early 60's the link, I hope, is here
download/file.php?id=11029&mode=view when enlarging this picture the frames look to be brass.
Steve
Re: A4 Pacific - Cab Window Spectacles
Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:09 am
by S.A.C. Martin
swhite01 wrote:In the LNER people section of the forum - thread titled - "Top Shed" there has been a photo posted of 60008 in the early 60's the link, I hope, is here
download/file.php?id=11029&mode=view when enlarging this picture the frames look to be brass.
Steve
Definitely brass there. Good spot, many thanks.