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Hi all,

I am trying to make sure I know the diagram numbers of the following three carriages. Location is Immingham Dock Station. Photo undated, but taken early 1950s. Loco is a K1.



Left to right I think they are

Non-gangwayed 4 compartment Brake Third (diag. 64 or 65- depending when it was built. Identifying feature is lack of guard duckets)
Ex-GN Corridor Brake (diag ?)
Non-Gangwayed 8 compartment Gresley steel-sided Third (diag. 276) ??? Or is it a Thompson?

Have I got these right? The middle coach has me stumped. It looks a little short to be a LNER period carriage- is it ex GNR perhaps?

cheers,
Will

I think you're right about the GN one - the giveaway is usually the small window above the door rather than a vent as on the LNER ones. The GN did build some 52'6" stock as well, so without the benefit of a diagram bok to hand I'd go with that.

Middle vehicle is a GN 61' 6" BCK - not sure which diagram - I will have a look tomorrow.

Further to last night's post. The GN vehicle is a 58' 6" BCK (2X1st; 4X3rd) to Diagram 175 - one of six vehicles.

Nice one Silverfox! Rare vehicle then. Thanks for checking this for me.

Out of curiosity- do you think this carriage would still have been a BCK when it was photographed in the 50s or instead downgraded to all third class accomodation?

Finally, does anyone know of a company that provides a model for this carriage in 4mm scale? Closest I can find is Mr. Bedford who makes a diag.176 BCK- similar enough?

regds,
Will

p.s.

Anyone want to comment on my provisional identification of the steel suburban? I have guess this is a Gresley rather than Thompson vehicle because i) it appears to have square window frames rather than rounded and ii) a Thompson would only be a couple of years old at this point and unlikely to have been running on such a backwater line?

Any opinions welcome.

Will

wehf100 wrote:p.s.

Anyone want to comment on my provisional identification of the steel suburban? I have guess this is a Gresley rather than Thompson vehicle because i) it appears to have square window frames rather than rounded and ii) a Thompson would only be a couple of years old at this point and unlikely to have been running on such a backwater line?

Any opinions welcome.

Will

Well it makes sense to me Will. Ones reasoning has good grounding.
It is mind, a wonderful image of the mixed up rakes that appeared in those early BR days

If the third were a Thompson, I think the different body profile would stand out.

Sawdust.

Re the GN BCK: My diagram book does not give any downgrading and it was updated until the late 50s including the change to 8' 6" Spencer Bogies. Given that the train otherwise had no first or lavatory accomodation, it would make sense that it remained a BCK, as most of the BCK did.

Kemilway offer it in 4 and 7mm.

cheers guys,

Will

Will

Sorry about the delayed reply - I'm busy trawling through topics in a variety of forums (fora) to see if I can offer some help.

The third coach is a Gresley. The steel sided ones are much easier to pick out in a train of mixed Gresley/Thompson stock when you compare the depth of the underframe trusses - Thompsons are deeper i.e. nearer the rail head. The brake compartments of the steel Gresleys are also inset as in the teak stock whereas the Thompsons are flush.

Was the loco really a K1? AFAIK they all ran with GS type 4 - (welded) 4200 gal tenders.

UpDistant

Up distant ive just noticed the tender then your comment its probably a K3.

52D wrote:Up distant ive just noticed the tender then your comment its probably a K3.

I was thinking K2/2 as soon as I saw the Photograph!

UpDistant wrote:Will

The third coach is a Gresley. The steel sided ones are much easier to pick out in a train of mixed Gresley/Thompson stock when you compare the depth of the underframe trusses - Thompsons are deeper i.e. nearer the rail head. The brake compartments of the steel Gresleys are also inset as in the teak stock whereas the Thompsons are flush.

UpDistant

Apart from the lower angle trusses and flush Van ends, the Thompson carriages also have the bottom window line lower, being fitted with taller windows, and a lot of them had the rounded corner windows too.