The LNER Encyclopedia

In preparation for a major hit on the wallet at the Telford 7mm show (first weekend in September), I wish to establish which type of tender was allocated to "Arsenal" in the summer of 1948. The reason for the question is that the kit manufacturer offers the engine with a choice of tenders. I appreciate that the answer is probably in Yeadon vol. 5, however that volume has gone missing when I enquired at the local county library.

Thank you if you are able to assist.

According to RCTS 2B 2848 (61648) had a LNER Group Standard 4200 gallon tender (vacuum braked) from new. Interchanges were rare and 2848 is not shown as having changed tenders. There is a 1950 photograph with Group Standard tender on Ebay at:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/61648-Arsenal ... 0578002765

According to Yeadon, 'Arsenal' kept the same tender for the whole of its working life.

Be warned though, there were several Group Standard tenders and Arsenal had the larger type, 7.5 tons of coal and 4200 gals of water with the symmetrical cut-outs to the sides. Note also that 2848 was the first B17 with this type of tender where the vacuum cyclinder was fitted longitudinally - rather than laterally across the rear.

No doubt, their current team manager could find much to whinge about over the various tender options
Cheers
Robt P.

With regard to the Yeadon's registers, is there a volume for tenders or are tenders separately described/photographed in any other volumes?
If not, where can one find descriptions etc. for them?
Maurice C.

rob237 wrote:No doubt, their current team manager could find much to whinge about over the various tender options
Cheers
Robt P.

At least Arsenal remain one of the teams at (or near) the top - as to many of the 'Footballer' clubs, wonder where they rank now

mojo wrote:With regard to the Yeadon's registers, is there a volume for tenders or are tenders separately described/photographed in any other volumes?
If not, where can one find descriptions etc. for them?
Maurice C.

Maurice,

The Yeadon Volume (5) for the B17s and B2s was one of the earlier ones first published by Irwell Press. These had a slightly different content than later ones and this one helpfully includes, inter alia, tender allocations for the entire class throughout their working lives. If only later volumes went into the same detail...

Edit: I realise that I have only answered part of the question.

It seems that Booklaw Publications intends to put the Tender information in separate volumes of the Register; just 1 of which has been published so far which covers the GC types (if anyone has a copy I'd be interested to learn their views on it). The individual class volumes do include appropriate illustrations and captions but regrettably do not provide the detail necessary to complete the story.

There of course as has already been alluded to the RCTS 'Greenies', which also include detailed descriptions but are not so hot on illustrations, and not always easy to lay hands on these days with the first volume being published in 1963.

There is an Isinglass drawing (304) available with all three types of 4200 gal Group Standard tender on one sheet, and John Edgson's usual informative notes.

As already mentioned it was a LNER Group Standard 4,200 gallon tender with the top (coping) plate outside the side sheets causing a 'lip'. The later 'Footballers', built by Robert Stephenson, were of welded construction with flush sides. This can be seen on my illustrations of the class: http://www.locos-in-profile.co.uk/Print ... llers.html

Looking at the photograph on e-bay it appears to me to be the low fronted type as fitted to some V2's. Would anyone like to confirm that my observations are correct.
Regards.

Looks to me to have a low front coal plate and the rear plate appears to be further forward, a la those behind B1s.

There is a newsreel clip of Arsenal being named at:

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=82646

Only a glimpse of the front of the tender but interesting nevertheless.

That is a great clip, I guess that the naming took place in York Road platform but is it possible to confirm/deny that?

(Actually the clip of the "hush-hush" is even better. I had no idea that such high quality clips existed from that era.)

Hi Strang Steel, I am not so sure it was taking place on York Road platform, if it was, the engine is facing the wrong way. Maybe the old platform 1.

... Not much to go on, but somehow in the background, what looks like a wooden pole (or water column??), and the end of what might be a non-passenger carrying coaching stock vehicle (van) of some sort, makes me wonder if it might have been done at platform 17, with the Milk Dock/Yard behind. From considerations of such an event's potential to interfere with normal traffic working, that would've been a fairly out-of-the-way spot.
Some of the light levels at times make it look to me like it could have been held under partial cover, but perhaps there was some floodlighting there, which could give an unnatural appearance.

DId you notice HNG trying to get out of the way of the camera?