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Hi All
Just been on the scotsman website and it says the flying scotsman will be number 502 on one side and 103 on the other.
Where did 502 come from? I know that the 103 was after the renumbering of the LNER.

Cheers

f88

502 was the first 1946 number carried from January to May.

Seems a bit silly to make the Flying Scotsman completely unrecognizable after it has finished it's very long overhaul filled with apple-green publicity.

Does anyone know what colour the buffer beam was in this guise?

Thanks,

Andy

The bufferbeam was red.

Seems a bit silly to make the Flying Scotsman completely unrecognizable after it has finished it's very long overhaul filled with apple-green publicity.

Run it in easy-to-wear black, ensure nothing goes wrong, and then paint it back to green. I think that's how it should go.

In the old days, it was sometimes usual for a new locomotive to be trialled in works grey livery before the elaborate lining etc. was applied. The whole reason for FS being adorned in wartime black was should any major dismantling occur after trials then expensive retouching of the paintwork would not be necessary.

Not only that, but it makes a nice change, after all, 4472 hasn't ALWAYS been Apple Green.

If all locomotives stayed the same livery forever; it would get rather boring.

well it makes a nice change to boring BR boring dark boring green!

I take it you don't like BR Green, Coboman?

My gripe is this. IF the engine is to be in Apple Green ( ) then why does it still have a double chimney( only fitted to 2751 Humourist in LNER days) and Witte smoke deflectors ( only fitted in BR days!)?

Can we have an AUTHENTIC LNER A3? Please? And not some fairground travesty? I'd accept Green, Wet And Rusty green with D/C and deflectors if only for the sake of authenticity.

Mrs BB says - Nurse!! He's out of bed again!!! The Screens!!!! Too late...

The NRM is supposed to set standards for restoration and accuracy so why do we still have 4472 with Kylchap and Deflectors in LNER livery?

I fired on this as 60103, have seen it as 4472 and 520, was in BR Green when I was firing on it, seen it in Apple Green and now in Black. I have seen it with and without deflectors, with and without double chimney, BUT she still looks good. For what its worth, I think she looks smarter with deflectors.

Saint Johnstoun wrote:The NRM is supposed to set standards for restoration and accuracy so why do we still have 4472 with Kylchap and Deflectors in LNER livery?

I think it came down to choosing between "having it never run but look authentic" versus "have it run without looking 100% authentic". The general public would prefer to see it run, regardless of accuracy, than as a display and nothing more.

Personally, we should just be happy the NRM is willing to try and keep 4472 running as long as they feasibly can. Quite opposite of the "Local" museum in Green Bay, which has no interest in running anything powered by steam.

Saint Johnstoun wrote:The NRM is supposed to set standards for restoration and accuracy so why do we still have 4472 with Kylchap and Deflectors in LNER livery?

It is authentic and accurate (I just don't prefer it). When the NRM purchased 4472, it had already run in many liveries and configurations, some before withdrawal by BR in 1963 and some (including apple green with deflectors) since 1963. Any of those combinations are appropriate under the policies of the NRM. The story of the loco in preservation is as important as its days in service.

For what it is worth, I would like the return of 4472 in single chimney form.

From what I've hard, if 4472 had a single chimney, there would be much less need for the smoke deflectors. However, there are two issues there:

1- The double Kylchap boosts 4472's efficiency by a large amount.
2- If I recall, the last remaining A1/A3 single chimney cast was dropped and damaged beyond repair a number of years ago. (I may be weong about this though)


However, I'd still like to see Flying Scotsman in true LNER condition, but from the early 30's, werent all the corridor tenders adopted by the A4's?