Luggage and Guard's area, sizing the wood pad by the doors

[gdb]

There are several books about Gresley Standard LNER teak coaches and some of those books have diagrams / drawings of the coach sides / ends / underframes. However, there seems to be a dearth of information as to what furniture / fittings are in the luggage and guard's areas of the break coaches. I am aware of a couple of photos on the web which show the carriage interior when looking away from the passenger compartment... I have yet to see any photograph showing the interior when facing towards the passenger compartments.

Can anyone help with either drawings of the interior of the luggage / guard's areas or photographs of same?

The photos which I have seen show the handbreak as a wheel on top of a column. How big is the wheel and how far off of the floor?

thank you for any comments, suggestions or information, Graham Beare

[Dave]

Hi.
I will look at my photos when I get home from work to night, but I have a drawing here of a guards section.
The following may be of help.
The brake column is offet from the C/L of the carriage 12,1/4" (twelve and a quarter inches) and from the rear of the end vestibule door 3'-10,3/8".
Between double doors there are oak boards 6,1/2"x1,1.4" running parrallel to the carriage side.
The floor between the door (at solid panels) have floor drains either side 3'-9" long.
My scale rule is at home so I can`t get you the diameter of the wheel.

Hope this helps
Dave.

[Bryan]

I have attached scan of the relevant bit of my plough.
The rear section is basically a brake van with a standard NER Brake column.
Hope this helps.

[MikeTrice]

Both NYMR Brake Open Third:

Sorry, don't have photos of a side corridor vehicle.

[Dave]

Hi,
I`ve found these photo`s, they may help, I see Mike has posted some similar ones.

I will try to get a scan of my plan.
Cheers.
Dave

[Dave]

Don`t know what happened to that last photo, must have been hijacked by alians, here it is again.
Dave.

[Dave]

I have scaled the brake wheel off the plan, and it scales at 1'-5,1/4" diameter and has 6 spokes.

Dave.

[manna]

G'Day Gents

Interesting photos (ex Guard), pity BR brakes did'nt have the duckets, but what magnificent coaches

manna

[Dave]

Sorry unable to scan my plan as I have just found out our office scanner does not work as it`s not compatable with crappy microsoft vista...

Dave.

[Dave]

Thanks for the message.

I have found these 3 photos that a friend took for me. I dont`t know what diagram or type of carriage they are of.


Dave.

[gdb]

I have found these 3 photos that a friend took for me. I dont`t know what diagram or type of carriage they are of.

Thank you for posting the images of the brake end interiors. I am not very knowledgeable in matters Gresley so my guesses are that the drawings are for open breaks rather than vestibule breaks. That the top image shows fittings on the passenger compartment wall suggests that the corresponding drawing is of a carriage with a short luggage / break area. By contrast, the middle image does not have the same "cluttered" appearance and may be for a carriage with a longer luggage area.

Let us both hope that Mike Trice comes along and offers a more worthy opinion.

regards, Graham Beare

[Dave]

Hi.
As far as I know all 3 photos are from the same drawing which is a carriage with a 60'-00 underframe, but I do not know which drawing these relate too, I suspect an open brake 3rd. Mike may be able to help further.

Dave.

[gdb]

As far as I know all 3 photos are from the same drawing which is a carriage with a 60'-00 underframe, but I do not know which drawing these relate too, I suspect an open brake 3rd. Mike may be able to help further.

My apologies for I now see that I had mis-read the top image in that I thought the view was looking towards the passenger compartment whereas the view is towards the corridor connection. The inclusion of the guard's ducket ought to have told me that the view was away from the compartments.

Sorry, Graham

[MikeTrice]

You have beaten me to it. Yes you have views from both ends of the compartment, one towards the vestibule connection, the other away from it.

[James Brodie]

Guards compartments passenger brake vans.
The emergency screw coupling that hangs in a van should have links of equal length and painted red.
This info is available in the appendix supplied to railwaymen.
An unequal link coupling would allow oscillation as the buffer heads wouldn't be together.
Jim Brodie.