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'Morning Folks,

I've got a query about LNER Tourist Stock livery.  I've built my first twin third finished and it's ready for painting and lining.  I reckoned that the lining between the cream and green paint was black.  However, I've been told it should be black and red.  I've been sent a photo of a Kemilway one finished thus.  However, I've got 1 colour photo showing a Tourist stock vehicle in the background and a red line is not apparent (Big Four in Colour) although the red lining on the loco in the foreground is.  Does anybody have any knowledge or thoughts on this please?

Without being able to recall where I got the information from, I thought it was a single black line.

LNER Study Group Journal Number 1 contains an extensive article by RDA Johnston on the Tourist stock. Whilst not a source document he includes comprehensive external and internal livery details and records that the lower 'Engine Green' and upper 'Cream' were divided by a thin black line.

Thanks for your replies chaps. I too think it's a thin black line. However some knowledgeable folks say there's a thin red line below the black one. Hmmm

No red line on the livery drawing I have.

Thanks to great help from fellow members it's clear that there was a 1/2" black line between the green and cream areas. We agreed on the photos but then the LNER finishing drawing was produced to confirm that.

Thank you.

Vernon

Please excuse an 'off-threads question, but did the same apply to the railcars?

drmditch wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:03 am Please excuse an 'off-threads question, but did the same apply to the railcars?

I've read that the tourist stock and railcar's had the same livery. Can't vouch for that being correct though!

Vernon

The human visual system tends to create the impression of the reverse of the original stimulus when that stimulus stops abruptly. That can be a reverse-contrast after-image in the short time after the stimulus ceases, or an impression of the opposite of the true stimulus adjoining a sharp boundary between brightness and darkness, or a boundary between colours. It occurs to me that very serious study of an image of the tourist stock might induce the impression of a red line adjoining the green area where it meets the genuine black line, red being the complimentary colour to green, i.e. the opposite of the original stimulus.

I read on another group recently that the faux Tourist stock used in the 1980s on the West Highland line had red/black lining at the colour division. Presumably that idea came from somewhere and it may also have added to the confusion as well.

There is a Bassett Lowke carriage currently on eBay with the orange/black lining. Perhaps this is the source:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BASSETT-LOWK ... 0488219606

One of the faux Tourist Stock coaches is currently under restoration at Lincolnshire Wolds.

I’m pretty sure I have images pre paint stripping and restoration and don’t recall red/black lining.

Will dig them out.

This is the assertion to which I referred (posted by Gordon Clark):

"... later repaints were labelled with just 'West Highland Line', black coach ends rather than green and the lining between the green and cream was changed to have a red stripe rather than just white-black-white lining e.g. https://www.flickr.com/photos/127282573 ... 263593616/"