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MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:32 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
Hey chaps - any ideas for Mr Paul Isles? Someone must know on this forum.
Paul Isles on Twitter
MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - MREmag article
Sometimes a photograph can pose questions you weren’t even sure needed asking and the attached photograph from my father’s collection has coincided with some rather pressing research I’m doing.
On the face of it, this is a great colour picture of 60103 Flying Scotsman departing from Kings Cross, the date being somewhere between December 1958 and December 1961, but it’s the Mark 1 BSO, E9217, that has set me to thinking: Were the East Coast expresses run as fixed sets in this period or would they move around as, presumably, the train was broken down into its constituent parts?
Not having an exact date for the picture hampers the research, but maybe some of MREmag’s more knowledgeable coaching experts could help throw some light on the subject in the next edition (I’m being pressed on this matter for rather a tight deadline I’m afraid…) as I’d like to work out how many prototypical coaching rakes could feature the same BSO, within a given timeframe.
Paul Isles
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Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:32 am
by robertcwp
I have replied to Paul on this and sent a couple of carriage working PDFs with some additional comments.
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:33 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
robertcwp wrote:I have replied to Paul on this and sent a couple of carriage working PDFs with some additional comments.
Excellent, thanks Rob. I am sure Paul will appreciate the pointers.
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:09 am
by 65447
S.A.C. Martin wrote:robertcwp wrote:I have replied to Paul on this and sent a couple of carriage working PDFs with some additional comments.
Excellent, thanks Rob. I am sure Paul will appreciate the pointers.
But I do not think that Robert will appreciate having his name abbreviated!
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2016 10:59 am
by robertcwp
65447 wrote:S.A.C. Martin wrote:robertcwp wrote:I have replied to Paul on this and sent a couple of carriage working PDFs with some additional comments.
Excellent, thanks Rob. I am sure Paul will appreciate the pointers.
But I do not think that Robert will appreciate having his name abbreviated!
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:29 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
My apologies Robert.
Force of habit - I know an extraordinary number of Roberts and they are all Rob to me.
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 9:38 pm
by robertcwp
I used not to respond to Rob at all but have mellowed a bit. Bob is a word I don't recognise.
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:27 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
robertcwp wrote:I used not to respond to Rob at all but have mellowed a bit. Bob is a word I don't recognise.
I shall remember that for next time.
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:34 pm
by 65447
robertcwp wrote:Bob is a word I don't recognise.
Is that because you're only interested in the whole quid?
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:12 pm
by robertcwp
65447 wrote:robertcwp wrote:Bob is a word I don't recognise.
Is that because you're only interested in the whole quid?
Bob has no monetary meaning to me, being young enough to have been brought up in the decimal currency era.
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 8:55 am
by S.A.C. Martin
65447 wrote:robertcwp wrote:Bob is a word I don't recognise.
Is that because you're only interested in the whole quid?
I'm glad Robert gave some context there because I had no idea what you were on about!
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:44 pm
by robertcwp
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:37 pm
by 65447
And the same photograph as in the OP appears in The Engine Shed blog - funny co-incidence that... perhaps we could get some more teasers for any new LNER-based Hornby models
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 7:16 pm
by robertcwp
65447 wrote:
And the same photograph as in the OP appears in The Engine Shed blog - funny co-incidence that... perhaps we could get some more teasers for any new LNER-based Hornby models
I wonder whose collection that photo came from:
60103_KX by
Robert Carroll, on Flickr
Re: MK1 BSO with 60103 Flying Scotsman - assistance needed
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:46 pm
by 65447
And just to make a suggestion to Paul Isles, perhaps the Hornby models should be issued first with 'E' numbers? I know that renumbering is possible but in general the Eastern region is the poorest cousin, with GWR modellers having the additional (rather than alternative) choice of chocolate and cream and SR modellers green liveries, whilst there is an assumption that if it's maroon it's LMR. And very little coaching stock actually carried the BR roundel on the body side - usually (but not a definitive rule) carried on coaches in sets for named or prestige services and on catering cars.