The LNER Encyclopedia

I was looking at my Peter Tatlow overview book and I noticed these 30ft 4 and a bit tube wagons which were particularly long lived. He also mentions a batch with no doors. Paul Bartlett has a fine collection of pictures on his site and he says the doorless variety is shorter but does not give a length. Does anybody have any information about these wagons?

Does Volume 4a add to the information in his earlier book?

Roger

Hallo Roger and welcome aboard. These weren't in 4A - I imagine they'll be in the much anticipated 4B, which is expected for Christmas.

Diagram 199 22ton Tube wagon.

27 feet long over headstocks/outside of body.

17' 6" wheelbase.

30' 5" length over buffers.

Vacuum braked and screw couplings.

Numbers 301602-310701.

Is a model potentially in the offing Roger?

John

Just noticed an illustration of Diagram 199 is on Paul Bartlett's site at the end of the tube wagon section.

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnertu ... #h24419f40

John

John asked, "Is a model potentially in the offing Roger?"

The answer is I don't know. When I disappeared into a haze of depression I didn't know it was going to last as long is it did. I'm not certain my involvement in another place didn't make it worse, but whatever happened I decided to retire. By the way, Arthur had told me all the good guys were here!

Mortality recently took another potshot at my health and as I lay in the operating theatre looking at the ceiling I contemplated what the family said, do what you want. If you have a talent you should use it.

Ever since Sutherland did their kit for the LNER pipe wagon I've had a soft spot for the prototype, but I was beaten to it by Parkside, and now Bachmann. But there's always big brother!

I'll let you know if anything happens.

Roger

Roger

All I can say is welcome back.

I am a fellow depression sufferer and it ain't easy, is it?

Depression, you just think you've got hold of it, it comes at you from a different direction!

Wagons, although my interest is in the doored tube, I have had time to compare the non door version with my LMS Tube and I think I could use the underframe and the floor. I thought I could get away with the ends but looking at Paul's pictures they are different because the top and bottom planks are wider than the middle planks.

Roger

Finelines wrote: Wagons, although my interest is in the doored tube, I have had time to compare the non door version with my LMS Tube and I think I could use the underframe and the floor. I thought I could get away with the ends but looking at Paul's pictures they are different because the top and bottom planks are wider than the middle planks.

I have a dia 199 conversion (once theoretically finished but that I went back to and then forgot about), that's based on the older Kirk kit of LMS D1675. Hadnt noticed the planking difference, I must admit.

Of course, you know this'll develop into a wishlist now

Well it didn't turn into a wish list! While I've been waiting for part 4b I've been putting various arrangements of search terms into google and I got a link to page 83 in April 1963 Railway modeller, which has a drawing by R J Essery of the 27ft tube. It has 2 sets of cupboard style doors on each side and doesn't have the LNER classic brake. It also lacks the extra strut on the W irons. It matches the 3rd drawing on Paul Bartlett's photo album. But I got it in my head these wagons never got built and I can't find any pictures. He numbered it 147870 and said it was built in 1927.

Any thoughts?

Roger

I have all of those articles from the 'Toddler', first of the LMS wagons and then the LNER wagons, should you fall short of any of them just ask. The drawings were pretty good and quite accurate for the time, which is more than can be said of a lot of the other drawings. I have somewhere a letter from CJF in which he writes that accuracy in drawings was not deemed a major consideration for modellers! Sometimes in the letters page or as a footnote to a later article in those series the odd correction or additional piece of information appeared.

There is an equivalent Wagons of the LMS tome to Peter Tatlow's Wagons of the LNER and indeed Peter T is actually at heart an LMS man - he just saw the gap and decided that it should be filled, for which we all are eternally grateful. If you like I'll contact Peter and ask him; he's bound to know the details. I could also ask Bob.

As an aside there is a drawing of the BR 22T Tube Wagon by Ken Morgan on p50 in British Goods Wagons from 1887 to the Present Day, Essery, Rowland & Steel, David & Charles 1970 (my copy cost 63 shillings from Heffers in Cambridge - a fortune in those days!)

Well I'll just have to wait for part 4b. I've got several projects I could start with, but they keep changing my pills to a higher level of zombification!

Roger

Well I shelled out for volume 4b and two questions arise. When did the two door and unfitted doorless versions disappear? Are there any pictures? All Paul Barlett's pictures are of the much longer lived fitted with lner brake gear rather than the lift link.

Roger