Carriage Brake Gear

[Dave]

I'm not sure now where that post is ..it could be in any that we have been on recently...they all seem to merge and criss cross between each other..If I find the thread I will let you know, but the jist of it is my welded underframe drawing is different in the cross bracing area near the battery box's to the drawing Mike has.

By the way just got in been photographing Gresleys at Pickering and just seen your email I will let you know what you should have had.

[Bryan]

By the way just got in been photographing Gresleys at Pickering and just seen your email I will let you know what you should have had.

Bet you missed one?
1077
I was working near it all day and didnt see you.
If you need to get to this one let me know.

[Dave]

Thanks Ploughman

I was in the shed looking at the Thompson, then the Woolwich coach (turnbuckle underframe) and the carriage from Carnforth by the crossing. met Murray Brown coming down from the long siding...measuring up lettering for the GUV

[Bill Bedford]

How does that rationalise with the 1923 decision that all underframes were to be built at York? (Although it's pretty obvious from the lack of trussing or early adoption of angle trussing/welded underframes that Contractor-built carriages were not included in this arrangement - perhaps OVSB was responsible for the specifications for these?)

Some underframes were built by outside contractors. Met-Camm, Cravens, Pickering and maybe others. While it's certain that Met-Camm could produce welded underframes, I'm not sure of any of the others. Cravens, I believe, didn't start welding until much later.

[MikeTrice]

LIke this one? An Open, non-brake, coach. Minimal number of rivets in solebar, diagonals welded to upright of central girders? Sorry, I cannot put a number to this coach on the SVR, photo by and with acknowledgement to Richard Carr.

My best guess is D186 no 43600 built York 1934, and you are quite correct, it has a welded underframe. Interestingly D186 no 43612 also on the SVR and also built in York in 1934 has a rivetted underframe. I have no information relating to 52255 built York 1935.

Addendum: 52255 has a rivetted underframe care of http://www.sharpos-world.co.uk/cpg/disp ... 8&pid=3405

[gdb]

[quote="MikeTrice"]
I find it interesting that of all the preserved Gresley panelled vehicles on steel angle underframes, only BCK D175 no 24068 at the SVR has a welded 60'0" underframe that I know of. Does anyone know of any others?
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Now after all this education as to the different styles of underframe construction... and Mike's timely comment above... I have just avoided the possible faux-pas of constructing the underframe for our D175 as a riveted angle u/frame when Son had decided that the vehicle is to be numbered as 24068.

I think that I have two choices:-
[1] continue to build the u/frame as riveted angle rather than welded angle and choose another running number,
[2] work out how to convert the u/frame moulding from the riveted style to a welded style... and decide how to modify the etches for the cross-girders (Mike's photos in this thread tell me that the etches are for a cross-girder of a riveted u/frame).

My preference is to number the model as a D175 with riveted angle underframe- any suggestions of suitable numbers please?

thank you and regards, Graham

[2512silverfox]

I suspect that since the Dia 175 vehicles for the NE area were mainly 1937 build, they will all be welded underframe vehicles. The earlier D175s could have been rivetted but were not your area if that is important. Having said that I am not aware of any written evidence to support that date of the change so 24068, near the beginning of the batch, must be a pretty good indication.

[gdb]

I suspect that since the Dia 175 vehicles for the NE area were mainly 1937 build, they will all be welded underframe vehicles. The earlier D175s could have been rivetted but were not your area if that is important. Having said that I am not aware of any written evidence to support that date of the change so 24068, near the beginning of the batch, must be a pretty good indication.

Thank you for your reply.

Whilst I have written about the intentions for the train, in the past and on this forum, I shall be surprised if those details are to hand. The five coaches of the train (just five today, no idea as to what No. 1 Son might add to the train - I keep saying D113 and that falls on deaf ears, maybe Rob Pulham will have the desired effect) are to go with No.27 as running in 1948. The date is key to the intentions for Merlin is to be painted in the Purple livery and the model has the streamlined non-corridor tender, those two facts put the model into the six week period June -July 1948. From information provided through LNER Yahoo Group I understand that Merlin was working services north of Glasgow and Edinburgh in the chosen period, not NE Area I grant you... however, if we were to put Merlin after July 1948 then the train would be Thompson stock. We prefer Gresleys in teak.

thank you, Graham

[Robpulham]

I keep saying D113 and that falls on deaf ears, maybe Rob Pulham will have the desired effect)

I hope so Graham. The more the merrier!

[gdb]

I keep saying D113 and that falls on deaf ears, maybe Rob Pulham will have the desired effect)

I hope so Graham. The more the merrier!

Well just make sure that you have sorted the handbrake arrangement and the bogies (S7, sprung of course) before we get there.

regards, Graham

[Robpulham]

S7 Wot's Dat Den

[MikeTrice]

Well just make sure that you have sorted the handbrake arrangement and the bogies (S7, sprung of course) before we get there.

If it is S7 we expect a working hand brake after all this research!

[Robpulham]

Well just make sure that you have sorted the handbrake arrangement and the bogies (S7, sprung of course) before we get there.

If it is S7 we expect a working hand brake after all this research!

Sorry Mike, it won't be S7 but I am quite happy to have a go at a working handbrake.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you, Dave, Bill and other contributors to this and Graham's other Gresley enquiry threads. Graham has kindly done most of the hard work by asking the questions and collating the information which he has willingly shared with me to help us both build better coaches and it is greatly appreciated.

[gdb]

[quote="Robpulham"]
I am quite happy to have a go at a working handbrake.
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OK Robin, I shall not try to embroil you any further into the dark side... However, if you make the handbrake work and the brake wheel to go round - then sure as eggs are eggs - Scale7JB will be along on "Western Thunder" and try to get you to fit a DCC chip and servo so that the brake can be applied in the carriage sidings. Now is that not where Mike and Dave had an exchange on pulling the string (read "leg") about two pages earlier in this topic?

Of course, for the handbrake to work then your JLTRT bogies are going to need brake blocks, block hangers, brake yokes and jointed pull-rods with slotted links.

regards with a smile, Graham

[Dave]

well Rob ...working brake gear in 7mm, some years ago I put working brake gear on a LNER van in 4mm for a laugh, just to see if I could..I used Masokits parts,.......never again, but I am making some metal buffet car chairs...slowly.....keep burning my fingers.

Thanks for all your thanks, infomation is meant to be shared, keep watching this space you never know.......


Dave