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Malcolm
B17s at York
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Re: B17s at York
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Re: B17s at York
Reply to Solario.
It was definitely heading for Hull. Of course, it does not have to be the same train seen at Chaloners Whin or the same day.
I certainly remember around that time quite a number of foreigners used to turn up on York-Hull diagrams if 73167 was not available!
It was definitely heading for Hull. Of course, it does not have to be the same train seen at Chaloners Whin or the same day.
I certainly remember around that time quite a number of foreigners used to turn up on York-Hull diagrams if 73167 was not available!
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Stretching the memory further of 61620 visiting Hull,it came in on the lines from Beverley at Argyle St-which would confirm a York train,it was early in the summer school holidays,but in the late morning.As to year,rather than my earlier thoughts of 1955,I now think it could be 1956,when V2s were changing from black to green.The cry went up now they are doing B1s green as well!-until we found out what it was.The engine was very clean.
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Re: B17s at York
Hello again.
Looking at the slide the front of the loco is illuminated by the sun. Hence I believe it to be a southbound working.
As it is on the easternmost of the four tracks would this mean it was heading for Selby?
If so IF it was a Hull train would that not involve a run round at Selby? Were trains routed to Hull via Selby and of 9 coach formations?
If not a Hull train, what was it? The long shadows and well lit wheels from the west indicate an evening working and I do not think there was anything for the joint line which would leave York that late.
Judging by the quantity of black smoke drifting photographically across the view one could be forgiven for the idea that the photographer had pre-arranged something.
Looking at the slide the front of the loco is illuminated by the sun. Hence I believe it to be a southbound working.
As it is on the easternmost of the four tracks would this mean it was heading for Selby?
If so IF it was a Hull train would that not involve a run round at Selby? Were trains routed to Hull via Selby and of 9 coach formations?
If not a Hull train, what was it? The long shadows and well lit wheels from the west indicate an evening working and I do not think there was anything for the joint line which would leave York that late.
Judging by the quantity of black smoke drifting photographically across the view one could be forgiven for the idea that the photographer had pre-arranged something.
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Re: B17s at York
As I think you are implying, it would be strange for a Hull train to take the ECML at Challoners Whin because they normally went via Church Fenton to avoid running round/loco change at Selby. Or have I mistaken Challoners Whin for another junction? I thought that Challoners Whin was where the line to Leeds and south Yorkshire diverged from the ECML.As it is on the easternmost of the four tracks would this mean it was heading for Selby?
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Re: B17s at York
Isn't that Colton Junction?
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Re: B17s at York
Colton is the first left turn heading south from York now (since 1980s construction of 'the Selby Diversion between Colton and Temple Hirst created the geographical junction at Colton).
Chaloner's Whin (near Middlethorpe?) used to be the first left-divergence, to Selby, running via Naburn bridge, Escrick and Riccall, through/near the Selby coalfield. In my current road atlas it now looks like most of it is a part of 'The Trans Pennine Trail', plus another stretch is part of the A19.
It's not really 'my' area, but I think a train to/from Hull using this route would've had to run-round at Selby : But if it ran via Church Fenton and Gascoine Wood it would not have had to do that.
And as, 'back in the day', four lines continued SW from Chaloner's Whin, as well as double track branching off to Selby, the pictured train could have run through on the easternmost of the four roads at Chaloner's Whin, and still headed for Church Fenton.
Chaloner's Whin (near Middlethorpe?) used to be the first left-divergence, to Selby, running via Naburn bridge, Escrick and Riccall, through/near the Selby coalfield. In my current road atlas it now looks like most of it is a part of 'The Trans Pennine Trail', plus another stretch is part of the A19.
It's not really 'my' area, but I think a train to/from Hull using this route would've had to run-round at Selby : But if it ran via Church Fenton and Gascoine Wood it would not have had to do that.
And as, 'back in the day', four lines continued SW from Chaloner's Whin, as well as double track branching off to Selby, the pictured train could have run through on the easternmost of the four roads at Chaloner's Whin, and still headed for Church Fenton.
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Re: B17s at York
What happended to 'Modellers Licence'? "It is my trainset and I will run what I like" is about as cringeworthy as it gets.. 
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Re: B17s at York
If you know the area Chaloners Whin junction was were Tesco's at Askham Bar is now.
The park and ride carpark is partly on the formation.
Tadcaster rd lights by the college are on the bridge over the track as well.
The park and ride carpark is partly on the formation.
Tadcaster rd lights by the college are on the bridge over the track as well.
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Re: B17s at York
In the 50's I dont recall any York to Hull trains travelling directly to Selby and running round as the loco would then be running tender first to Hull(never saw tank engines on York-Doncaster or Leeds-Hull local trains)..They would have all used the direct line to Hull via Beverly up until closure in 1965.After that they would have travelled via Church Fenton to enter Selby from the Leeds direction,or the option was for passengers to travel to Selby on the ECML and then change to a Leeds-Hull train.
The only time I saw a loco run round(apart from loal shunting operations) was in the early 60's when the summer Saturday York-Yarmouth arrived in Selby via Church Fenton and the EE type 40 ran round and hauled it out to Doncaster.I assume there must have been a problem between York andSelby.
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The only time I saw a loco run round(apart from loal shunting operations) was in the early 60's when the summer Saturday York-Yarmouth arrived in Selby via Church Fenton and the EE type 40 ran round and hauled it out to Doncaster.I assume there must have been a problem between York andSelby.
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