dischuffed....

[Steve05]

Hi LNER Fan 60008,

I love the photo, I have to send it to some of my GWR colleagues...and then perhaps run, just too many of them in our club but we are catching up quickly.


Steve

[Steve05]

Hi Mr B,

Yes we would all love to see Tornado have a go at setting a record for a non-streamlined locomotive. I understand this was set by Papyrus in 1935 and rests at 108 mph. In theory the A1 should be able to equal or better what the A3 has achieved with a similar load. However, what’s the chance a non-streamlined loco could equal SNG post war record of 112 mph with a load of passengers? Apart from the fact that the authorities would probably not allow the opportunity, do you think Tornado could get over 110 mph? How fast has it actually gone to date? Nevertheless I’d certainly travel to the UK to see this no matter what the result.

Regards

Steve

[LNER Fan 60008]

Hi LNER Fan 60008,

I love the photo, I have to send it to some of my GWR colleagues...and then perhaps run, just too many of them in our club but we are catching up quickly.


Steve

Thanks! I don't really have anything against GWR locomotives, but I am still miffed the County Project wants to use the LNER 8F's boiler for it. But that's for it's own topic.

My concern on a non-streamlined locomotive doing 110+ MPH runs is the risk of parts like domes, whistles, and such falling off.
On most streamlined locomotives, these parts are hidden under the casing.

[James Brodie]

what you miss while/when you are in Shetland...!

Dear Mr Bill I have seen a Spam Can and have worked one and I believe they were better balanced than other engines as long as the bicycle chain didn't snap.

The real A1s were a fast engine and if the drivers had been "brave enough" as they did buck a bit when being pushed, despite being non streamlines or even air smoothed ...but there again I'm only a poor loose coupled mineral man and we might of got a nose bleed at over 35mph.
Just try driving an Austerity at 35 and see what I mean. rough riding not nose bleed.
Jim Brodie.

[Blink Bonny]

Having ridden an Austerity in my youth on the Worth Valley at, oooo, 30mph tops I can well understand why they were slow engines. The coal came out of the tender and just lay on the cab floor waiting to be shovelled in. It didn't need a slacker pipe, more a broom and shovel!

[strang steel]

I’m sorry folks but I’m a bit over the perhaps and might if’s, and yes what if had my dad been a millionaire. Let’s stick to the facts. The Coronation was only very marginally quicker than an early A4 without the benefits. There is quite a difference between 114 mph and 125.5 mph. So any opinions, and perhaps whilst respected, relate to speculation only. Therefore they simply don’t amount to cogent arguments. As for a Southern loco reaching 100 mph, yes there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that this happened. As for a non-streamlined loco achieving Mallards speed post WW2, well only an optimistic fool would believe this. I’m sorry but official records count, and the rest of the gossip is for the gullible.

Regards

Steve

Hope you haven't read Steam Railway No.391 because there is a letter within that magazine which seems to be making a serious case for something called "Lady At Lyons" maintaining a speed of 117 mph for 7 miles with an average over 4 miles and 40 chains of 'nearly 120 mph'.

There is no hint of sarcasm or the letter being written on the first day of April, so I must only presume that the nurses have administered something quite potent into the author's tea.

[LNER Fan 60008]

I’m sorry folks but I’m a bit over the perhaps and might if’s, and yes what if had my dad been a millionaire. Let’s stick to the facts. The Coronation was only very marginally quicker than an early A4 without the benefits. There is quite a difference between 114 mph and 125.5 mph. So any opinions, and perhaps whilst respected, relate to speculation only. Therefore they simply don’t amount to cogent arguments. As for a Southern loco reaching 100 mph, yes there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that this happened. As for a non-streamlined loco achieving Mallards speed post WW2, well only an optimistic fool would believe this. I’m sorry but official records count, and the rest of the gossip is for the gullible.

Regards

Steve

Hope you haven't read Steam Railway No.391 because there is a letter within that magazine which seems to be making a serious case for something called "Lady At Lyons" maintaining a speed of 117 mph for 7 miles with an average over 4 miles and 40 chains of 'nearly 120 mph'.

There is no hint of sarcasm or the letter being written on the first day of April, so I must only presume that the nurses have administered something quite potent into the author's tea.

GWR had a Saint Class named "Lady of Lyons". Is this what you mean?

[S.A.C. Martin]

GWR had a Saint Class named "Lady of Lyons". Is this what you mean?

Yes, that's the one. The reader is effectively retelling an article found in The Railway Magazine many years ago and claims that a Saint locomotive reached an official 117mph past milepost 97 after Badminton. The timings and speed are based on the "train in" and "train out of section" timings for the two signalboxes at Hullavington and Little Somerford.

In short, makes "interesting" reading.

[LNER Fan 60008]

Interesting story, but if it were anything to be taken seriously, why was it never taken up like City Of Truro's prior record?

You'd think the GWR would be over the moon, had an engine really hit 117 MPH.

[mr B]

Hi LNER Fan 60008,

I love the photo, I have to send it to some of my GWR colleagues...and then perhaps run, just too many of them in our club but we are catching up quickly.


Steve

i also like the photo , you know why gwr are r/h drive , so the drivers dont get ear ache when theres a southely blowing in on the wall at dawlish ...

[Blink Bonny]

Sadly, they'd get earache on the return. Always surprised the GWR never went in for double side-window cabs...

[52D]

Interesting story, but if it were anything to be taken seriously, why was it never taken up like City Of Truro's prior record?

You'd think the GWR would be over the moon, had an engine really hit 117 MPH.

Can we please refer to the above as City of Truros alleged record

[LNER Fan 60008]

Interesting story, but if it were anything to be taken seriously, why was it never taken up like City Of Truro's prior record?

You'd think the GWR would be over the moon, had an engine really hit 117 MPH.

Can we please refer to the above as City of Truros alleged record

Yes, alleged record. Regardless of that, it is just odd that Truro's *alleged* record was taken seriously so fast, and yet this claim of a Saint Class doing 117+ MPH was ignored at large. Out of spite? General lack of evidence? I would think the latter.

And I've found some rare evidence of Truro really doing over 100 MPH!



It would appear the GWR staff gave up on powering it on steam, so they borrowed a few rocket boosters and jammed those into the tender!

[Steve05]

Hi,

That is a classic funny...very clever, even my GWR mates will laugh.

Regards

Steve

[Blink Bonny]

(Gets back up off floor)

Good one!