Guard's Brake Coach door handle orientation

[Autocar Publicity]

Shouldn't that picture have been posted in my thread on heavily 'weathered' vehicles in the model railway section?

Ironically, I've been working today on a set of luggage double doors that were sticking, but they were on a Mark One, so different mechanism...

[StoneRoad]

Ripe for restoration.......let me at it....

Ok, What and where? just for information.......(Please can Testerol PM me the answer)

Stoneroad

[Trestrol]

[quote="Autocar Publicity"]Shouldn't that picture have been posted in my thread on heavily 'weathered' vehicles in the model railway section?

If you want heavilly weathered try this!

[Autocar Publicity]

To quote Stephen Middleton, "Hmm, I've tackled worse..." !

That does look like a challenge though.

[StoneRoad]

Right up my street!

Needs a fair bit of work, so some good fundraising required......

[gdb]

Mention is made earlier in this thread of the door locking mechanism for the right hand leaf of each pair of luggage doors... the rods and cam can be seen in this photograph from the web site of the restoration of D114 carriage no. 3669, see:-

http://www.ecolne.free-online.co.uk/tra ... 20Door.htm

regards, Graham Beare

[Bryan]

The guards door handle.
Was there a Left hand and a Right hand version?
Or could they be inverted?

I think I have 2 left handers and need a right otherwise.

[65447]

The guards door handle.
Was there a Left hand and a Right hand version?
Or could they be inverted?

I think I have 2 left handers and need a right otherwise.

Bryan, as I posted previously:

Just to round off the information, Guard's doors on the 'offside', that is with the Brake Compartment to the left when viewed side on, normally have doors that are the opposite hand (hinged on the left) but the door handle still points upwards.

That suggests, if your handles are not dead straight but have any form of curve or other shape that is not symmetrical, they must also be handed.

[gdb]

The guards door handle.
Was there a Left hand and a Right hand version?
Or could they be inverted?

Bryan, as I posted previously:

Just to round off the information, Guard's doors on the 'offside', that is with the Brake Compartment to the left when viewed side on, normally have doors that are the opposite hand (hinged on the left) but the door handle still points upwards.

That suggests, if your handles are not dead straight but have any form of curve or other shape that is not symmetrical, they must also be handed.

In pursuit of some other question about the D175 carriages I have been sent the photograph below, courtesy of Richard Carr. This image shows the "other" side of the guard's compartment to the photo with which Mike Trice started this thread. This maybe my imagination.... however the door handles look assymetric and hence are handed.

As an aside to the orignal theme of this thread, can anyone identify the purpose of the lever/pipe/thing which is projecting below the footboard to the luggage doors?

D175 no. 24068 on SVR - photo by and courtesy of Rochard Carr

regards, Graham

[Dave]

Hi Graham,
I think it is a water filler pipe for the water tank to the toilet. If you look on the roof above you can see the tank overflow and filler cap just above and to the right.

Dave

[gdb]

Hi Graham,
I think it is a water filler pipe for the water tank to the toilet. If you look on the roof above you can see the tank overflow and filler cap just above and to the right.

Dave

Seems a reasonable suggestion... in which case there ought to be another on the other side of the carriage.

regards, Graham

[65447]

Seems a reasonable suggestion... in which case there ought to be another on the other side of the carriage.

"Attention having been drawn to the time taken to fill carriage roof tanks because men had to climb on the roof to insert the filling hose, a simple arrangement for performing the operation from the ballast was devised consisting of pipes running from the roof tanks to nozzles on either side of the vehicle at headstock level. The staff had merely to place their rubber filling hose on the nozzle and when the tank was full water ran out from the nozzle on the opposite side of the coach. This arrangement was instrumental in enabling the operating department to cut down station times at York, Newcastle and other places at which tank filling was carried out during the journey."

Norman Newsome, The Development of LNER Carriage and Wagon Design, 1923 - 1941. Paper to Inst Loco E 1948

So the answer is yes.

[gdb]

Seems a reasonable suggestion... in which case there ought to be another on the other side of the carriage.

"Attention having been drawn to the time taken to fill carriage roof tanks because men had to climb on the roof to insert the filling hose, a simple arrangement for performing the operation from the ballast was devised consisting of pipes running from the roof tanks to nozzles on either side of the vehicle at headstock level. The staff had merely to place their rubber filling hose on the nozzle and when the tank was full water ran out from the nozzle on the opposite side of the coach. This arrangement was instrumental in enabling the operating department to cut down station times at York, Newcastle and other places at which tank filling was carried out during the journey."

Norman Newsome, The Development of LNER Carriage and Wagon Design, 1923 - 1941. Paper to Inst Loco E 1948

So the answer is yes.

Ah... the light switch might well have been turned on! Am I to infer from the comment "when the tank was full water ran out from the nozzle on the opposite side of the coach" (quote from Newsome) that the water filler pipes and the water tank were a closed system? And that the "overflow" pipes on the roof are not to provide an overflow outlet for excess water when the water tank has become full?

regards, Graham

[Dave]

Hi
As I am new to this forum lark I hope I have uploaded these 2 photos.
1 showes the other side of the brake and you can see the water filler, and 2 shows a standard LNER filler pipe.
You can see they all match.
Cheers
Dave

[4493]

Hi Graham,
I think it is a water filler pipe for the water tank to the toilet. If you look on the roof above you can see the tank overflow and filler cap just above and to the right.

Dave

Gents,

The pipe on the roof is actually the toilet cistern vent pipe (as already mentioned the water tank overflows through the opposite filler pipe).