LNER Locomotives that never were

[Saint Johnstoun]

Thanks for the encouragement - I have around 15000 images created on computer of locos, rolling stock, buses and trams - it's kept me amused for the last 10 years or so!

I have a lot of proper LNER locos covered, as well as the rival LMS organisation. Ask and it will be given unto you!

Although most of my bus and tram graphics are in full colour I've yet to launch out into liveries with the locos.

[brsince78]

You wouldn't happen to have a line drawing of the V4 Class by any chance?? My father is building a 3.5" guage live steam model.

[Saint Johnstoun]

Two drawings of the V4 coming up shortly.

[Saint Johnstoun]

This was the proposal with Beardmore engine using one of the Newport Shildon Electrics as a base.

[Saint Johnstoun]

One for all you out there to give me an answer to.

[daveball]

B1 proposal with an O6 (Stanier 8F) boiler?

I think I remember reading somewhere that on test, the thermal efficiency of a B1 compared quite well with an LMS or BR Standard 5MT; if that was the case then the complexity of the taper boiler and Belpaire firebox didn't add a lot. Presumably B1s were cheaper to build (and maintain?) than their LMS or BR equivalents, so I've been wondering would a range of smaller BR Standard locomotives based on Thompson/Peppercorn practice have been more cost effective?

Wonder what answer I'll get to that question on an LNER forum

[richard]

Although the BR Exchange Trials have their critics, the Thompson B1 and Black 5 were well matched. Each performed slightly better in the other's territory!

The Black 5 was a 1930s design, compared to the simpler/cheaper wartime B1 - so you could probably argue that the B1 would have been more cost effective compared to the Standard Black 5.

For the mixed traffic tanks, then you'd be looking at the Thompson L1. These had their teething problems which would not have helped in the 1940s?


Richard

[redtoon1892]

No problem downloading the images here, like you say the C1 is a bit of an ugly duckling

[hq1hitchin]

The L1s were fine looking machines but had an unfortunate tendency to drop their motion at awkward times. Was it Hitchin men who christened them 'Concrete Mixers'?

[Saint Johnstoun]

By 1955, trouble with the original B1 boilers was being experienced with fracturing of the firebox plates and serious consideration was taken to fit the BR No. 3 boiler to these engines and Doncaster drawing office drew up the proposal. Before any authority was sought to rebuild any of the class remedial work on existing boilers had mostly solved the problem and the project was abandoned.

[silver fox]

You wouldn't have the full streamlined A4 I could decorate in to each of the 35?

I have tried doing trains, but couldn't work out the wheels, I found trucks dead easy!

[wehf100]

Interesting stuff, and bravo on the draughting skills.

It is always good to see how these plans one reads about might have turned out. The complete lack of drama in the 'semi-streamlined' A4 proposal certainly shows just what a publicity coup LNER achieved in the final engine!

I would be interested to see how LNER loco design would have gone if Robinson became CME, or any of the other pre-group NE companies for that matter. How would the NER Pacific dsign have developed in the 30's for instance?! Or would it- maybe they would have gone overhead electric in the 20's!

you can't beat an exercise counterfactual history

Will

[silver fox]

That's to point, the A4 might never have been for 2 reasons;

1)Robinson was the first choice, but being close to retirement, he sugested Gresley.

2)The A4 when tested in the wind tunnel had smoke pretruding in to the cab, so it was abandoned, but then for some reason it was retested, and it was found to be ok, after someone put his thumb print behind the chimney creating a little dimple.

[hq1hitchin]

and what would have happened if the LNER board had decided they were satisfied with the German plans for a high speed DMU service (like the Flying Hamburger) to run between KX and Newcastle.... and had Gresley not had the chance to show what an A3 could do in the way of high speed running?

[silver fox]

nowt.