LNER Design Influence

[Steve05]

The engineering of Nigel Gresley influenced designs around the world so I was interested to learn this was the case in Australia with Victoria Railways. Indeed their express passenger “S” class and likely it’s huge one off “H” class known as heavy Harry. Are there any other overseas designs influenced by the LNER from Gresley onwards?

S Class
http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j38 ... icRail.jpg

Heavy Harry
http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j38 ... 220_01.jpg

Steve

[sirbrian]

The two locomotives shown have a degree of "Pennsylvania Railroad" look to them as well. The Pacific in particular resembles a Pennsy K4 in appearance.

Sir Brian

[Steve05]

Hi,

I read on the LNER site that Gresley was influenced by the K4. It seems that the tenders of the Victoria Railway locos are quite American in their design but they had to carry everything they needed for their designated trips. For me these locos were of a very clean appearance with a distinct lack of external plumbing and more in the tradition of British designs.

In 1928 the Victorian Railways CME was Alfred Smith who it is reported to be influenced by Gresley designs. His three cylinder loco “S” class loco utilised the Gresley patented third cylinder motion. These locomotives were arguably the premier express passenger locomotives of Australia and were made to look quite ugly (in my opinion) with the addition of USA inspired streamlining for the Spirit of Progress express service in 1937. Overall they were a successful locomotive and certainly an aesthetically pleasing looking Pacific. Unfortunately none were preserved and all four were withdrawn and scrapped between 1953 and 1954 as mechanical issues arose.

http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j38 ... oP0004.jpg

I don’t know whether Gresley’s thinking had any impact upon other Commonwealth railway entities and designs whether they are locos or rolling stock.

I thank you for your post.

Steve

[Solario]

There were some American 3 cylinder locomotives with the Gresley/Holcroft derived motion. Instead of being enclosed as per the LNER norm, it was fully exposed. Must have been interesting to see one on the move.

Sorry cannot remember any more details, I am sure that someone on the forum can provide more info.

[Colombo]

There were four streamlined Pacifics bult for Iraq in 1941 by Robert Stephensons.

One of them was lost at sea, so presumably still exists awaiting recovery and preservation. The following from Wikipedia.
They appear to have been two cylinder locomotives.

Iraqi State Railways class PC
Power type steam
Builder Robert Stephenson and Hawthorns[1]
Serial number 6982–6985
Build date 1940
Total production 4
Configuration 4-6-2
UIC classification 2′C1′ h2
Gauge 1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in)
Driver diameter 69 in (1,753 mm)
Axle load 17.5 long tons (17.8 t)
Locomotive weight 98.7 long tons (100.3 t)
Boiler pressure 220 lbf/in² (1.52 MPa)
Fire grate area 31.2 sq ft (2.90 m2)
Heating surface: Total 2,706 sq ft (251.4 m2)
Cylinder size 21 × 26 in (533 × 660 mm)
Career Iraqi State Railways
Class PC
Number in class 4
Delivered 1941
Disposition 1 lost en route,[2] remainder withdrawn

Colombo

[hq1hitchin]

The impressive looking G class Garratts in New Zealand of 1928 had conjugated valve gear but weren't a success, unfortunately

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZR_G_class_%281928%29

[52D]

An excellent find Colombo(Above) definitely carrying the A4 legacy on. I wonder if they were named.

[Colombo]

Indeed they were named, after cities in Iraq, all familiar names to us now I am afraid.

Builder's no.↓ 1941 fleet no.↓ 1948 fleet no.↓ Name↓ Entered Service↓ Disposal↓
6982 501 1501 بغداد (Bagdad) October 1941 In storage March 1967
6983 502 1502 الموصل (El Mosul) March 1941 In storage March 1967
6984 503 1503 البصرة (El Basra) December 1941 In storage March 1967
6985 504 ―― كركوك (Kirkuk) lost en route ――

Colombo

[52D]

Excellent a number change in 1948 as well. BTW you dont have the ships name that was carrying the lost one do you?

[Steve05]

Hi People,

I thank you for the posts and the very interesting information.

Regards

Steve

[melton]

www.steamlocomotive.com/4-12-2/
I belive these locomotives had Gresley valve gear but not noted in the above text!

[52D]

See last post - And we thought P2s were big beasties