Hi everyone,
This is my 1st post so please be nice!
I've been "playing" with my train set for a while now, but it has got me interested in the history of these engines during the LNER days.
I've searched around (quite a bit from this site) and have found some info but am by no means a expert in this area yet so any info would be great!
A1 Royal Lancer
Apparently it was 1st choice for the “South Yorkshireman” for 1-2 years, Assigned to the “Master Cutler” but these are both BR Trains, I'm more interested in its early history.
I read somewhere there were 5 A1's built for the "Flying Scotsman" was this one of them?
Speaking of the Flying Scotsman, was 4472 always attached to this or was it replaced with the A4's?
A4 Mallard
All the history I can find about this relates to the speed record. I'm more interested on which trains it used to pull?
Finally I have an old Hornby Dublo 3 rail GNR N2 loco in LMS black. Did LMS actually ever have any N2's or this pure fiction?
I’ve been poking around this forum for 2 years now, It’s great to finally be part of it!
History of my Hornby loco's
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Re: History of my Hornby loco's
Fiction, so far as I know. I had one too!Chinny22 wrote:Finally I have an old Hornby Dublo 3 rail GNR N2 loco in LMS black. Did LMS actually ever have any N2's or this pure fiction
Kudu
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Hi Chinny 22, Did LMS actually ever have any N2's or this pure fiction?
Pure fiction, the LMS never had any N2,s.
Pure fiction, the LMS never had any N2,s.
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G'Day Gents
Welcome to the forum. The 'Flying Scotsman' engine did'nt always work the 'Flying Scotsman train' although it was a popular choice with the public, but not with the crew, a lot of them thought there were better engines than 'the Flying Scotsman' and strangely enough the same is/was thought about 'Mallard' I know a lot of Kings Cross crews would have preferred 'Seagull' to 'Mallard' other than the world record and the interchange trials, you never hear a lot about 'Mallard'
manna
Welcome to the forum. The 'Flying Scotsman' engine did'nt always work the 'Flying Scotsman train' although it was a popular choice with the public, but not with the crew, a lot of them thought there were better engines than 'the Flying Scotsman' and strangely enough the same is/was thought about 'Mallard' I know a lot of Kings Cross crews would have preferred 'Seagull' to 'Mallard' other than the world record and the interchange trials, you never hear a lot about 'Mallard'
manna
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Hi Chinny22.
Have to agree with what manna says. There where other engines besides the Scotsman and Mallard, The first time I worked on the Scotsman train was with 60072 Sunstar, and I did a lot of work on Seagull. 60033 Seagull fetches back a lot of memories for me. Whenever I buy a new railway book I always look for photo,s of those two rather than the engine Flying Scotsman or Mallard. Another one I did a fair bit of work on was 60010 Dominion of Canada.
Have to agree with what manna says. There where other engines besides the Scotsman and Mallard, The first time I worked on the Scotsman train was with 60072 Sunstar, and I did a lot of work on Seagull. 60033 Seagull fetches back a lot of memories for me. Whenever I buy a new railway book I always look for photo,s of those two rather than the engine Flying Scotsman or Mallard. Another one I did a fair bit of work on was 60010 Dominion of Canada.
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Re: History of my Hornby loco's
Pegler was initially steered away from buying Scotsman as there were better A3s around, but he wanted her as she was the loco the general public knew. I for personal reasons would have preffered No.66.
Hi interested in the area served by 52D. also researching colliery wagonways from same area.
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Re: History of my Hornby loco's
Welcome, Chinny22JeffB wrote:Hi Chinny22.
Have to agree with what manna says. There where other engines besides the Scotsman and Mallard, The first time I worked on the Scotsman train was with 60072 Sunstar, and I did a lot of work on Seagull. 60033 Seagull fetches back a lot of memories for me. Whenever I buy a new railway book I always look for photo,s of those two rather than the engine Flying Scotsman or Mallard. Another one I did a fair bit of work on was 60010 Dominion of Canada.
The old Hornby Dublo N2 also appeared in Southern and GW guises, the latter body with a GW style dome. Hornby Dublo were canny enough though, I don't think they ever referred to the model as an N2, instead referring to it as an 0-6-2 tank locomotive.
Was No10 a good engine in your experience, Jeff? Stushy Goddard, who I worked with, told me it was a poor steamer
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Hi Chinney22
Mallard was a regular on the 4pm to leeds, that ran on the slow lines upto Finsbury Park before following one of the named expresses up the fasts. She was also used on a yorkshire pullman on occasion. I have a really good book from the NRM I will get my hands on it in a couple of weeks and fill in the details. 4468 was really not celebrated by the LNER i have always felt that Gresley saw locos like Mallard and Humorist as test mules not as celebrity engines, that was for the Coronation streamliners or Flying Scot. Mallard was shedded at Doncastor until BR days when she moved to Kings Cross and then to Grantham. She was not officially recognised as the world record holder until BR days which is when she got her plaques. Under BR she was used on the big name expresses and The Flying Scotsman, she was also one of the locomotives involved in the extended non-stop runs when flood damage meant the route to the north was extended and they set a record for the longest non-stop runs.
Royal Lancer had a corridor tender, one of the first along with Flying Scotsman, this means that she was used on the non-stop but as only two engines were needed each day (one north, one south) and with both 4472 and 4476 and others allocated to Kings Cross they would only have been used on occasion. The rise of the A3s and A4s meant they got the corridor tenders and they were then allocated to the non-stop trains. Royal LAncer may well have gone on long runs if not the non-stop but she would have been on slower trains. Journey times were much longer then with london - Edinburgh (non-stop) taking 8hrs (down to 6 1/2 with the A4s).
I can look up Royal Lancer and Flying Scot in the Yeadons if you are interested in when they changed their tenders (flying Scotsman had a GNR tender in 1924, corridor in 1928, GNR 1936 and then non-corridor streamline tender by 1939), when they became A3s and where they were shedded.
Some of the named trains under BR were changed in such as the Coronation becoming the Elizabethan, but most were carried over from their grouping names such as The Flying Scotsman, The East Anglian. Master Cutler and the South Yorkshireman may well have been LNER trains I am sure someone on here will know.
Hope this helps, and atleast gives you a start.
Simon
Mallard was a regular on the 4pm to leeds, that ran on the slow lines upto Finsbury Park before following one of the named expresses up the fasts. She was also used on a yorkshire pullman on occasion. I have a really good book from the NRM I will get my hands on it in a couple of weeks and fill in the details. 4468 was really not celebrated by the LNER i have always felt that Gresley saw locos like Mallard and Humorist as test mules not as celebrity engines, that was for the Coronation streamliners or Flying Scot. Mallard was shedded at Doncastor until BR days when she moved to Kings Cross and then to Grantham. She was not officially recognised as the world record holder until BR days which is when she got her plaques. Under BR she was used on the big name expresses and The Flying Scotsman, she was also one of the locomotives involved in the extended non-stop runs when flood damage meant the route to the north was extended and they set a record for the longest non-stop runs.
Royal Lancer had a corridor tender, one of the first along with Flying Scotsman, this means that she was used on the non-stop but as only two engines were needed each day (one north, one south) and with both 4472 and 4476 and others allocated to Kings Cross they would only have been used on occasion. The rise of the A3s and A4s meant they got the corridor tenders and they were then allocated to the non-stop trains. Royal LAncer may well have gone on long runs if not the non-stop but she would have been on slower trains. Journey times were much longer then with london - Edinburgh (non-stop) taking 8hrs (down to 6 1/2 with the A4s).
I can look up Royal Lancer and Flying Scot in the Yeadons if you are interested in when they changed their tenders (flying Scotsman had a GNR tender in 1924, corridor in 1928, GNR 1936 and then non-corridor streamline tender by 1939), when they became A3s and where they were shedded.
Some of the named trains under BR were changed in such as the Coronation becoming the Elizabethan, but most were carried over from their grouping names such as The Flying Scotsman, The East Anglian. Master Cutler and the South Yorkshireman may well have been LNER trains I am sure someone on here will know.
Hope this helps, and atleast gives you a start.
Simon
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Hi hq1hitchin
No10 was,nt a bad engine, perhaps not as free steaming as other A4s, but I never had any problems when firing it. Fresh out the 'Plant', most where good steamers, but as it was coming towards their time for another visit I think they all began to suffer. No7, 14, and 22 seemed to get more attention than the rest, although saying that No33 always seemed a little go-er when I was on it.
No10 was,nt a bad engine, perhaps not as free steaming as other A4s, but I never had any problems when firing it. Fresh out the 'Plant', most where good steamers, but as it was coming towards their time for another visit I think they all began to suffer. No7, 14, and 22 seemed to get more attention than the rest, although saying that No33 always seemed a little go-er when I was on it.
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Hi Chinny22
Asw promised I have been through the Yeadons and can confirm two things, 1. how much extra info there is in the early volumes of this series, nicluding around 4 pages of pics for each of the A4s and a section on tenders and liveries in both volumes.
2. the details of your models, well their real life ones:
1472 (as built) Flying Scotsman
New to traffic 24/2/23
Had a general overhaul at Doncastor and came back with a K3 tender (group standard)
received corridor tender no.1 (actually numbered 5323) on 5-4-28 quickly replaced with 5324, then kept this until 19/10/36 when she was no longer in need of a corridor tendor as the A3 and A4's had taken over all the non-stop running.
18/11/46 went to be rebuilt as an A3
4476 Royal Lancer
new to traffic 26/5/23
was equal first with Flying Scotsman to get the corridor tender on 5-4-28
She had tender number 5324 which was then swapped with Flying Scotsman so she got 5323 and later 5329 she kept hers until 9/6/37
10/8/46 she went for rebuilding as an A3
Mallard
New to traffic 3/3/38 the first with a double chimney
Regular on The Yorkshire Pullman which was a Doncastor to London turn, coming back the next day.
3/7/38 did something with a 5 car coronation set you may have heard about it.
Asw promised I have been through the Yeadons and can confirm two things, 1. how much extra info there is in the early volumes of this series, nicluding around 4 pages of pics for each of the A4s and a section on tenders and liveries in both volumes.
2. the details of your models, well their real life ones:
1472 (as built) Flying Scotsman
New to traffic 24/2/23
Had a general overhaul at Doncastor and came back with a K3 tender (group standard)
received corridor tender no.1 (actually numbered 5323) on 5-4-28 quickly replaced with 5324, then kept this until 19/10/36 when she was no longer in need of a corridor tendor as the A3 and A4's had taken over all the non-stop running.
18/11/46 went to be rebuilt as an A3
4476 Royal Lancer
new to traffic 26/5/23
was equal first with Flying Scotsman to get the corridor tender on 5-4-28
She had tender number 5324 which was then swapped with Flying Scotsman so she got 5323 and later 5329 she kept hers until 9/6/37
10/8/46 she went for rebuilding as an A3
Mallard
New to traffic 3/3/38 the first with a double chimney
Regular on The Yorkshire Pullman which was a Doncastor to London turn, coming back the next day.
3/7/38 did something with a 5 car coronation set you may have heard about it.
don't forget about the Great Eastern Railway
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Thats great! thanks heaps everyone.
Shame about the N2, your right Hornby never actually said what class it was. I'll just have to make up a back story I guess.
Now I know their history, I'll enjoy them more I think.
Tnaks again everyone
Shame about the N2, your right Hornby never actually said what class it was. I'll just have to make up a back story I guess.
Now I know their history, I'll enjoy them more I think.
Tnaks again everyone