LNER Magazine - which issues carry these articles?

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Gresley Standard Carriages, (Harris - Thomas & Luchar), page 21 section "Methods of building LNER Carriages" makes reference to two relevant articles in the LNER Magazine. As I have only copies of some of the pages I do not know if the references are given in the book, so which issues of that magazine are referenced by Harris?

thanks if you are able to provide identification of the appropriate issues, Graham Beare

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Graham,

Firstly you probably mean LNER Carriages, since Gresley Standard Carriages is that book with the diagrams in, self-published by Harris under the Mallard imprint.

I have the earlier David & Charles and later Atlantic versions; in the latter there is the same mention on p.21 but no specific references either there or in the Acknowledgements at the back, so it would mean searching the entire two volumes of the LNER Magazine DVD without actually knowing the keywords to use.

Unless someone like 2512silverfox comes up with the specific references I guess that's what someone will have to do. However, a lot of Harris' content was transcribed from such sources, so you will not necessarily find anything new, just the primary source. In any case you do not make clear what exactly it is you are hoping to find...

[Dave]

Hi Graham

I looked this up a couple of weeks ago when I got the DVD of the LNER Mag. Give me a couple of hours to check and I will let you Know the answers.


Cheers

Dave

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Graham,

Firstly you probably mean LNER Carriages, since Gresley Standard Carriages is that book with the diagrams in, self-published by Harris under the Mallard imprint.

Unless someone like 2512silverfox comes up with the specific references I guess that's what someone will have to do. However, a lot of Harris' content was transcribed from such sources, so you will not necessarily find anything new, just the primary source. In any case you do not make clear what exactly it is you are hoping to find...

Thank you responding to my posting.

My apologies for getting the wrong title.... I have got photocopies of parts of each of those books, copying the bits which seemed to be of interest at the time I was able to borrow the books, (I live in Hampshire and the books came from Sunderland library... ). Looks like I have got the pages muddled up.

I appreciate and understand your comment about Harris including primary source material by transcription. However, as I am not very wise in matters Gresley let alone "teaK" I have much to learn about the standard carriages and how they were built (as may be seen from some of the threads which I start here and on RMWeb). Some of the replies to questions in those threads have brought forth information which suggests following through on primary sources, for example a recent discussion on the water tanks and vent pipes produced quotations from Newsome which have helped to me to make more informed guesses as to where fillers and vents were fitted on the coach roofs.

When Harris accessed the articles in the LNER magazines he may not have extracted information which might interest modellers... such as the number and placement of vent pipes. Hence my interest in establishing the title, content and issue of the original articles whereupon I can then search British libraries to locate the appropriate volumes. As I have done this past week with Newsome given the quotes included in an earlier thread - the Eastleigh Railway Institute had a complete run of the Institution of Locomotive Engineers journal and, when the institute closed, the library was passed to the Winchester Local Histories Collections. Hampshire Library service has been very good here and agreed to transfer Volume 38 to my local library under "reference material - not for loan" conditions so I can now read that paper.

thank you, Graham Beare

[Dave]

Graham

The 2 articles I looked at were in the July and August 1931 editions......titled Progressive Building - York Carriage Works. By H. A. Peppercorn C & W Works Manager York.

Hope this is the article you wanted.

Dave.

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The 2 articles I looked at were in the July and August 1931 editions......titled Progressive Building - York Carriage Works. By H. A. Peppercorn C & W Works Manager York.

Dave.

Thank you, now I can re-read the Harris text with illumination.

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The two articles describe the production methods at York, having been improved into a primitive (by modern standards) 'flow-line', with sub-assemblies being fabricated elsewhere. Whilst, for example, the plumbing facilities rate a mention, it's only to say that they are formed to shape and part-assembled away from the line.

There was also an earlier article, in two parts in June and July 1928.

I don't think that there are any insights to be found that are not mentioned in Harris in a slightly summarised form, other than to be aware that NER and GNR carriage-building practices varied slightly, even for the Group standard designs and during the LNER period, and so these descriptions will be biased towards the one plant.