Mystery mongrel Locomotive

[Hourhouse]

The photo shows a train of happy holidaymakers heading for Scarborough, but the loco is a bit of a mongrel.
I suspect a complete fabrication by a skilful artist, but in places, it looks like a photo and that has to be a North Eastern cab. Any thoughts?

Now identified by the excellent Wainwright as a L&Y Dreadnought! Many thanks.

[jwealleans]

Sticking my neck out, but isn't that an LMS Claughton, or something similar?

[Wainwright]

That, sir, looks like an L&YR Dreadnought.

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com ... i-8tC3Gj2/

THis tiled map (from Manchester Victoria I think) shows that the L&YR advertised itself as having running rights over the Scarborough line (and it certainly ran trains into York).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancashir ... tation.jpg

[Hourhouse]

Blimey, that was quick!
Yes, it's certainly a Dreadnought. That's a new one on me - always learning
Many thanks for the help.

[jwealleans]

There you go. What he said.

[50C]

The last one (50455) of Blackpool shed(24E) was withdrawn in October 1951.

50c

[Wainwright]

More about these near-miss designs here...

http://www.lyrs.org.uk/images/uploads/P ... o_1932.pdf

NB I read in Harold Holcroft's memoirs that the Southern staff made a study of these Hughes 4 cylinder 4-6-0s (as well as the Raven Pacifics and the GWR 4-cylinder types) at the research stage for designing the Lord Nelsons...

[Wainwright]

Back to the more general point about LYR workings into Scarborough - does anyone know was it ever possible to see the earlier Aspinall 4-4-2s alongside NER 4-4-2s at Scarborough before WWI?

(Particularly interested in the Worsdell/Smith Compound 4-4-2s which have some external vague resemblance to the Aspinall types if you squint through mist).

[Blink Bonny]

Ay up!

The Dreadnought is also drawing a rake of suspiciously L&Y/LMS stock.

There was a similar series in the 20s and 30s showing a certain 4472 arriving at Scarborough, Blackpool, Brighton and all sorts of similar places.....

[Wainwright]

Ah, thanks, Mr BB.

Googling a bit shows up the L&Y 4-6-0 'arriving' at Bridlington, and an LSWR 'paddlebox' / T14 which seeming a surprisingly large amount of time in Scotland.

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_pcv_unide ... tiview.htm

So did Lancs and Yorks locos never really penetrate to Scarborough at all? Shame.

[billbedford]

So did Lancs and Yorks locos never really penetrate to Scarborough at all? Shame.

More than likely. Summer excursions tended to take on pilotmen rather than change engines when they went into foreign territory, and L&Y men would have been signed to York anyway. The same was true for major sporting events e.g Aintree.