4472 in BR green

[AdamOrmorod4468]

It's nice to have some variety otherwise virtually every locomotive would be in its ex BR livery. If a loco can be returned to "as originally built " then perhaps it should, but could "Scotsman" run on the National Network in its original form ? ie the increase in height.
But from a personal view I always thought the A3s looked best with the double chimney before the smoke deflectors were fitted, with the chimney to the forward end of smokebox just appealed somehow.

I agree that a double chimney sans smoke deflectors is good looking (though still not my favourite), but I think the lack of smoke deflectors would be too hard for crew, the cab would fill with smoke and the driver would be unable to see, so I doubt the NRM would permit it never mind Network Rail.

[andro]

I haven't been following this discussion very closely, but have been a bit surprised at the heat generated by it. My own favourite livery for 4472 just happens to be the apple green, and perhaps a fully developed A3 might have been that colour if the LNER had continued. But it didn't, and I know very well there's no reason why that should be thought the best, or the one that ought to be permanent. Perhaps we could think of liveries like haircuts - if you don't like it, it won't be long before you can try something different (if you still qualify, of course...) Does anyone remember the Midland Compound that was painted yellow and bright red for an Andy Capp special? It was still a Compound underneath the horrible paint, and that's what really matters here - we still have a good representation of 4472 underneath this year's livery, and it will be with us for a long time to come.

[sawdust]

It is worth pointing out that 4472/60103 has now been a preserved locomotive for longer than it was a working locomotive for any of the railway companies that owned it.

The changes that have been made to it and the liveries it has carried since withdrawal are like it or not just as much part of it's history as those made before withdrawl.

So to say it shouldn't carry X livery because the loco wasn't in this condition during Y period of it's working life is to deny the history of it's time under various private owners, without whom it would not exist today.

Long may it's history continue to expand.

Sawdust.

[harvester]

Very good point Sawdust

[AdamOrmorod4468]

If I may go back to Flying Scotsman's tender, I was just googling when I came across this picture: http://plumbloco.smugmug.com/Trains/Bri ... /i-fmZhvzh and 4472's tender appears to be in a form similar to its original arrangement (no streamlining, coal rail above corridor) but does anyone have any idea why it would have been converted back to an A4 arrangement?

[Sir Nigel Gresley]

Oh, and 'yes please' to an Apple Green A4.

....... with the smokebox black section extended rearwards, finishing at a vertical line behind the chimney!

[2392]

Perhaps there Ade the Silver grey livery may be incorrect with the current tenders, fitted to the current locomotives,though they were swapped between machines. Some were fitted with the 1928 built corridor tenders take from the A1/A3s so there is a precedent of sorts, as they to the best of my knowledge weren't streamlined. After all Flying Scotsman ran with SIr Nigel Gresleys' tender repainted green in the eighties complete with the then fitted stainless steel cut out L N E R letters, whilst her tender was being overhauled and Gresley was in bits too likewise being overhauled, both being at Steamtown/Carnforth.

But what I'm saying is that no silver A4s towed 1928 style tenders, indeed the only instance when any of the first four towed one was Silver Link for around 2 months in 1955, tender No. 5330 as far as I can remember, while I'm pretty sure that A4s towed 1928 tenders in every single other livery. It's a shame (in my opinion) that 4464's tender was rebuilt to 1928 spec, as the non corridor tender made her seem more 'run of the mill', while had it become the 1935 spec then it would have brought back an extinct design, been accurate for 4492, and I think both of these tender types carry the silver better than the 1928 (mainly due to the beading). Your last point is interesting though, could you possibly point me to a picture of 4472 with 4498's tender?

Ok it's been a while but at last Ade I've come across a photo of Flying Scotsman coupled up to Sir Nigel Gresleys' tender complete with the raised stainless steel letters. The following link should take you to the Scotsman overhaul thread on the National Preservation forum and it's on page 168; http://www.national-preservation.com/th ... tes.26494/

[Kestrel]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/trave ... -year.html

[AdamOrmorod4468]

Ok it's been a while but at last Ade I've come across a photo of Flying Scotsman coupled up to Sir Nigel Gresleys' tender complete with the raised stainless steel letters. The following link should take you to the Scotsman overhaul thread on the National Preservation forum and it's on page 168; http://www.national-preservation.com/th ... tes.26494/

I've actually found some footage of it on youtube, I probably should have posted it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYICZo2 ... Q&index=24